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The Mac Platform Decline

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Re: The Mac Platform Decline

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Linux is already superior for developers. You servers all running Linux, all dev tools are first released in Linux, everything just work with most hardware. For professional like video editing, photography, CADs, audio etc Windows is better when you can buy better hardware for the same price as Mac. There is no reason to by Mac when most hardware is terribly outdated and you don't know when next upgrade will happen.

I'm doing web dev on macOS. Tried to plan how I'd work on Linux desktop if I ditched Mac and it doesn't look that bright actually. - I basically can't stand the usability linux desktop environments. But this is subjective. - Our designers use a lot of mac software. I sometimes need to work with Sketch, Photoshop etc. Even if it's in read only fashion. - Our team lives in Slack. Turns out these is no decent slack app…

1. Have you tried https://elementary.io/ ?

2. PDF? I know it's not ideal.

3. Slack for Linux is in beta, but I've been using it for six months without issue: https://slack.com/downloads/linux

Re: The Mac Platform Decline

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Wow, I really liked that article. I thought it articulated some really important insights, first that Apple could reasonably be seen as abandoning the core computer user market, and second an acknowledgement that the market they are leaving in favor of the consumer market is probably immaterial to their current business model. It is clear that there are two "kinds" of users of computation platforms, the "apps only" u…

> think you can expect to see "artist workstations" emerge as a category with tools wrapped around a computer to help in their content creation

It's already emerging. Did you see the Surface Studio and the cute little knob that they demoed by using it to change colors in a paint program? That presentation was basically Microsoft looking at artists with sexy bedroom eyes, like Apple used to a decade ago. I'd be carrying a Surface 4 Pro around in my bag right now and leaving my Air/Wacom tablet at home if the Surface's NTrig stylus worked properly with Adobe Illustrator.

Next month Wacom's supposed to release their MobileStudio Pro, which has similar specs and a nice cushy Wacom pen instead of a shitty hard NTrig stylus. Which I think a hell of a lot of artists are gonna try out; their previous efforts in this space were overpriced, overweight, and underpowered, but this one looks good in the specs.

There is also supposedly a new generation of styli coming out soon that will all adhere to a single standard, so an artist can go buy a Surface clone from whoever and feel confident that she can also go buy a super-nice stylus, the same way a programmer can feel confident they can get a super-awesome keyboard if they want that. Surface clones are not being marketed to artists, but we are definitely ogling them if we have the funds, and as prices drop more of us will probably end up with one.

Re: The Mac Platform Decline

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Yahoo finance says they're doing well. If this is a sign of decline then most companies would be happy getting such results. https://finance.yahoo.com/quote/AAPL?ltr=1

Yes. And Microsoft was doing extremely well during Ballmers reign, and BlackBerry was doing extremely well for many years after iPhones release. Current revenue doesn't necessarily say anything about future decline, you need to look deeper than that.

Exactly. Current revenues for Apple are a result of decisions they made years ago. You can't look at this quarter's numbers to evaluate decisions made today.

If anything, Apple's fat profits are a danger sign. That kind of money attracts people who like spending lots of money. It removes any need for discipline. It discourages innovation, because people are afraid to do anything that might disturb the giant cash pipeline.

Re: The Mac Platform Decline

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I agree it worries me. I've been with the Mac since OS X came out. The focus on more professional users like myself seems to have started a decline beginning with Snow Leopard.

Of course I understand the rational. It is a small chunk of Apple revenue now, but can't there be some solution to this?

What if they simply outsourced the professional products to other companies? I know the clone makers was a disaster for Apple, but they can do it smarter this time, by specifically only allow the clones to sell computers at the high performance and high end. The consumer grade computers and laptops should be Apple only.

Fortunately for me I see that a lot of Linux distros have gotten a lot more OS X like over the years to if I got to switch there are actually systems out there which somewhat resemble what I am used to.

Still Linux simply doesn't have the same breath of quality desktop applications available as the Mac today. Every time I use Linux I get reminded that while I might be able to get all the functionality I need, it is too often served up in a package or UI which is extremely kludgy and poorly thought out.

Re: The Mac Platform Decline

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Intel is responsible for the lack of RAM not Apple.

How come everyone else is at 32GB now?

Several sources such as [1] are reporting that the 16gb RAM limit was chosen "to preserve battery life".

I lend little credence to that idea, given that what people are asking for is at most an optional upgrade for some minority fraction of customers that prioritize 32gb RAM over other considerations.

[1] http://www.theverge.com/2016/10/28/13460496/apple-macbook-pr...

Re: The Mac Platform Decline

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> I've chosen to view this update as the start of the uptick where we go back to regular updates (perhaps with a longer period than historically) and more exciting things to come. I want to think this, but after years they release a TouchBar and I still can't get 32GB of ram. /sigh I think that people get too caught up in wanting revolutionary changes. Many would have been much happier with new MBPs being released re…

Intel is responsible for the lack of RAM not Apple.

You can buy a dell xps 15 today that comes with: 3840 x 2160 display / 1tb pcie solid state disk / nvidia gtx 960m (crucial for developing cuda programs and prototyping deep learning on your laptop) / 32g ram. For $2340 (ten percent off coupon at the top of the page). I'm not sure if this link will work: http://www.dell.com/en-us/shop/productdetails/xps-15-9550-la...

And this thing comes with regular usb ports and an hdmi port instead of usb-c nonsense so I don't have to immediately drop $250 in dongles just to keep the capabilities I already have.

My problem with a macbook is because you simply can't upgrade anything, you have to prepay for all the disk you want to use for the next 3-4 years. Add them screwing us on magsafe, and I would need $400 plus in extra chargers and dongles (hdmi/dvi/vga so I can connect to whatever random projector / tv I run into), etc. As some snark on twitter said, we should call our new giant kit of cables to make macbooks usable a courage of cables.

I just can't believe these people have the giant balls to roll out a $3k+ laptop that you can't connect an iphone 7 or iphone 7 headphones to without purchasing $50 in adapters.

I'm sitting here hoping linux gets usable fast enough that I'll have something to transition to. I need a unix-ish box that was working power management/audio/the ability to plug into whatever random projector or tv I encounter and assume it will work.

edit: just to be clear, my complaint really isn't about pricing of macbooks. I mean, cheaper is better, but I'm comfortable spending $3k on a laptop. I just need a laptop that has 32g or more of ram, and that connects to my peripherals without hundreds of dollars of dongles that I have to carry around. That laptop better last 3-4 years though. If Dell can profitably sell the above for $2400, apple should be able to very profitably sell the same specs for $3200.

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I'm just wondering how one will install certain OSes if the Func keys aren't usable during OS install in Boot Camp. I don't remember being able to remap an installer hotkeys easily. Maybe Apple doesn't want that demographic, or perhaps we'll have to connect a USB-C keyboard. Boot Camp drivers are also terribly out of date.

Boot Camp has already been addressed though. The function keys will be shown and since Touch Bar is running WatchOS it should be easily possible to show them without drivers.

I read that there is an independent ARM processor controlling TouchBar. Is there solid proof the TouchBar reverts to Func keys when no OS has initialized/rendered keys to the TouchBar?

Re: The Mac Platform Decline

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I see a lot of parallels of Tim Cook's Apple to John Sculley's Apple. Tim Cook's, like John Sculley's, is focused on immediate short-term bottom line improvements rather than long-term investments. John Sculley kept staying the course, and Tim Cook is doing much of the same. If anything, the most recent iteration of MBP is sidelining serious developers and content producers. So yes, Apple's bottom line is growing. Lo…

Off the top of my head, I remember Apple under Sculley/Amelio* as - proliferation and fragmentation of Apple hardware - licensing of the OS to other hardware makers Under Cook, - Apple processors - improvements in manufacturing (materials, component integration, energy efficiency) These seem to be much longer-term projects than what was happening under Sculley. What are you thinking of in particular in terms of "imme…

Apple processors and improvements in industrial engineering happened before Cook took the helm. You could argue those were under Jobs's watch...

And yes the increase of revenue in services is safe, stable bet. But offering music and email and image storage doesn't seem to be be groundbreaking services to me.

Re: The Mac Platform Decline

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I don't know. R&D has seen big increases[1] (from around $3B under Jobs to now around $12B) in spend under Cook. I don't know that doing that lines up with a "focus on immediate short-term bottom line improvements rather than long-term investments". [1]: http://www.aboveavalon.com/notes/2016/5/11/apple-rd-reveals-... (linked for the graphs, not the article's hypothesis)

Nokia's R&D spending in 2007 was 5.64 billion EUR, while Apple spent 0.78 billion USD in the same year. If anything, exploding R&D expenses may be a sign of an unfocussed product organization.

This kind of stuff always gets me thinking a lot. It is very mysterious how some companies can spend such enormous amounts on research and still seem to get very few innovative products in return.

Gets you really thinking about, what exactly is the nature of innovation and research?

Our society as a whole is inherently focused on quantity over quality when it comes to something like research which so obviously is about quality. Science is getting measures as number of patents issues, amount of GDP spent on research etc. And these things becomes goals and targets by themselves.

Nobody seems to stop and ask whether quality research and discovery is actually happening or whether we are getting patents for the right kind of things.

This quantification and reducing everything into a number is a disease which I think is destroying much of what is good about our society.

Re: The Mac Platform Decline

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I am building a next generation database system.

Sounds interesting! What system are you currently using? What limitations are you running into? What do you envision the system running on in production?

If you mean my development computer, I use a 2012 rMBP with 16GB RAM. For production we generally run on EC2 or GCE.

The biggest limitation is RAM, but in the near future we may start using the GPU too. Between the database, middleware above the database, an IDB, a web browser, etc. macOS decides to start compressing pages rather aggressively when I run unit tests. If the IDE gets compressed, pretty much the only solution is to restart.

I could switch to Linux development, but aside from Linux laptop support generally being poor, macOS just works so I can spend more time working instead of fighting with my computer's configuration. Still, I am very seriously considering getting a Linux desktop in the near future, because I'm just tired of waiting for Apple.

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