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Re: Elementary OS

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Post by r00fus »

grimgrin wrote: post #94
sz4kerto wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am using Slack, GotoMeeting, join.me, etc., and in general -- I'm working remotely. Linux is better for development, but worse for collaboration. You can get almost everything working, but it takes effort. GotoMeeting screensharing tends to work, but not always. Join.me doesn't. The tools for Windows (my other OS) are much better if you need to capture screenshots or recordings often (typical use case: hotkey -> re…

Can you elaborate on "Linux is better for development"? Guessing it can only come down to differences in apt and brew and not much more (not that this couldn't be reason enough)? edit: this article mentioned MacOS and Linux and so that's all I thought OP's comment was referring to. We all know the advantages compared to Windows. Of course Windows is constantly improving.

1) lack of straightforward symlinks means source management under Windows was always more involved.

Re: Elementary OS

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Post by fabianhjr »

gravypod wrote: post #53
izacus wrote: post #5

I really like elementaryOS - not for myself (need to use macOS for dev), but pretty much all of my family was migrated to it. It has proven to be significantly more stable and simple to use than Windows and the default applications really nicely hit the simplicity and usability for a user that primarily needs web, email, photos and minor document editing. I'd even argue it's better than macOS for that user profile (e…

I would move to an Elementary OS if it's UI/UX was moved over an Arch based distribution. I mean Elementary OS simply looks beautiful and is stable(-ish). On top of Manjaro or something that holds back updates I wouldn't be able to figure out a more perfect development/daily driver system.

You could try Antergos, https://antergos.com/. it is an Arch-based distro with minor changes and sane default install.

Re: Elementary OS

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Post by tylerflick »

jkelsey wrote: post #158
tylerflick wrote: post #152

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can't testify to the rest of your issues, but the Windows client of 1Password runs reasonably well under Wine.

But does it integrate well with Firefox or Chrome on Linux?

Honestly I haven't tried to set that up yet, I just assumed it wouldn't.

Re: Elementary OS

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Post by numerlo »

_qc3o wrote: post #153

I really don't understand why developers use macs at all. They're not good dev machines. All production systems I work with are some flavor of linux (mostly ubuntu). There is actually a real impedance mismatch when I'm using my mac for work purposes. All those cores and RAM become meaningless when I have to do everything in a VM anyway. My personal dev machine is a project sputnik running ubuntu 16.04. I can understa…

In short, they provide a good enough Unix experience in a machine that just works™. Or used to, depending who you ask.

Re: Elementary OS

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Post by erichurkman »

methyl wrote: post #106
grimgrin wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can you elaborate on "Linux is better for development"? Guessing it can only come down to differences in apt and brew and not much more (not that this couldn't be reason enough)? edit: this article mentioned MacOS and Linux and so that's all I thought OP's comment was referring to. We all know the advantages compared to Windows. Of course Windows is constantly improving.

Lots of tools (one example is Webpack) are significantly slower under Windows.

A ram disk containing your node_modules/ directory can help a ton with webpack on Windows, and Node in general.

Re: Elementary OS

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Post by Brakenshire »

butterm wrote: post #144

I am using elementary OS for the past one and a half years, and honestly speaking, I am in love with it. I am a long time Linux user, and whenever I get a chance, I tell people about all the great things about Linux and why it's better than Windows and the MacOS. But there was always one aspect of Linux that I always felt a bit uneasy about, and this was design/UI/UX/accessibility of the many popular distributions. I…

Agreed about the stock apps. I think actually they are being too ambitious. They want to have certain interface guidelines which operate across all apps (things like autosaving state so they can be closed and opened seamlessly), and that's why they're so keen on developing a full suite of their own programs. But independently developing so many apps all at the same time is a massive, massive task. In my opinion they would be better off focusing for the moment on areas where there are gaps, for instance making Shotwell / Pantheon Photos or Geary / Pantheon Mail really excellent. It's making the perfect the enemy of the good to redirect their effort to reimplementing their own music app and their own text editor etc, when there are good alternatives.

Agree about the general sentiment, also. In general it's an excellent project.

Re: Elementary OS

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Post by tigershark »

_qc3o wrote: post #153

I really don't understand why developers use macs at all. They're not good dev machines. All production systems I work with are some flavor of linux (mostly ubuntu). There is actually a real impedance mismatch when I'm using my mac for work purposes. All those cores and RAM become meaningless when I have to do everything in a VM anyway. My personal dev machine is a project sputnik running ubuntu 16.04. I can understa…

Maybe because after decades I'm frankly pissed of all the infinite glitches in windows and Linux and I want something that just works? Every hour spent in fighting those problems is real money that I lose, but above all I want to write code, not to fight with a machine. I'm not 16 anymore (when I had all the time of this world and when I even enjoyed the fight), now I just want to use my time to write code instead of wasting it. Simply as that.

Re: Elementary OS

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Post by Osmium »

_qc3o wrote: post #153

I really don't understand why developers use macs at all. They're not good dev machines. All production systems I work with are some flavor of linux (mostly ubuntu). There is actually a real impedance mismatch when I'm using my mac for work purposes. All those cores and RAM become meaningless when I have to do everything in a VM anyway. My personal dev machine is a project sputnik running ubuntu 16.04. I can understa…

> I really don't understand why developers use macs at all.

I don't want to single out your comment, but there's been a lot of this lately (and every time this discussion comes up).

There's no one true version of a 'developer' or a 'pro.'

Broadly speaking, people will be most productive with the tool they know best. And the 'real' pros can be productive with just about anything.

For myself, I consider myself a developer too, but my workflow is probably very different from your workflow. My main machines are a MacBook Pro (2012) and a hefty HP workstation (64GB RAM, dual Xeons) running Ubuntu. There are things I use the Mac for that I'd struggle to do on the HP, and vice versa. But that's just me... But the idea that there's 'one true dev' or 'one true platonic ideal' of a development machine, is just crazy. And that's why I think a lot of this recent Apple criticism is missing the mark (especially when there are plenty of things to criticise Apple for, if that's what one wants to do).

Re: Elementary OS

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Post by chongli »

Yhippa wrote: post #156
endgame wrote: post #139

> It has polish and care that the stereotypical raging neckbeards who espouse the mantra of Linux on the desktop are unable to appreciate (or, apparently, build), and it has to exist, even if merely as a counterpoint to all the ugliness. Please be nice :(. Some of those so-called "neckbeards" probably helped build the stack upon which things like elementaryOS rest.

Is there a difference between "graybeards" and "neckbeards"? I think culturally there is a difference and he possibly meant to use greybeard here.

Yes. "Neckbeard" has connotations of sexism and other ugliness. "Graybeard" merely connotes old age and anachronism.

Re: Elementary OS

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Post by morganvachon »

confounded wrote: post #146
throwaway13337 wrote: post #17

A desktop linux could really grab an audience right now with the current state of windows and the agnosticism that is common in today's applications. The problem with desktop linux has always been that polish isn't quite there. Things like handling gracefully video card/dual monitor, audio switching, and sleep mode recovery end up being headaches that use up a lot of time googling around and generally learning about…

Closest thing to an off the shelf Linux MBP: https://puri.sm/

It's a scam project. They claim 100% open hardware but it's just an off the shelf Intel laptop with closed firmware and ME intact. You'd do better with something from System76 or a similar Linux-first vendor.
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