I don't get how it was illegal before since reverse engineering was always legal [1]. What is the difference with DMCA?
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reverse_engineering#Legality
DMCA exemption for repairs, modifications, research on your vehicle takes effect
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#72Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's the aftermath from inventing intellectual property. Patents were once called monopolies. What I find amusing is, you get this staunchly anti-government/libertarians who are also incredibly pro-IP. And yet IP is all based on governments granting monopoly power over ideas, with violations enabling the owner to engage in all kinds of punative behavior with the government as the strong arm. Ironic. I think there's s…
To be fair, most forms of property come from government-granted rights. The very idea that you can own land is kind of weird when you think about it.
It's not really weird when you think about ownership just being a bunch of people agreeing to mess up anyone that tries to take something you've claimed. It takes a lot of work to maintain such an agreement, so people have to be compensated for it. If they aren't compensated to their liking, they'll take that thing and maybe other things you've claimed and maybe ruff you up for good measure.
Re: DMCA exemption for repairs, modifications, research on your vehicle takes effect
#73I haven't kept track, but last time I read about it, DMCA lobbyists managed to get a pretty absurd restriction into the exemption: Cars may only be repaired by their owners , so handing your car over to a repairman or to researchers would still be illegal. This means in practice the excemption would only change things for people who are both highly skilled in the relevant technology and are interested in fixing their…
Could you temporarily transfer the ownership to the garage? Absurd indeed
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#74ObQuote: "If a law is unjust, a man is not only right to disobey it, he is obligated to do so." -- Thomas Jefferson
Re: DMCA exemption for repairs, modifications, research on your vehicle takes effect
#75I don't get how it was illegal before since reverse engineering was always legal [1]. What is the difference with DMCA? [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reverse_engineering#Legality
If it's encrypted, possibly?
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#76I was under the impression that only the distribution of any changes you make including the original code would be unlawful in this regard. Can someone clarify?
You are 'circumventing copyright protections' by changing the code. Something somewhere in these systems is supposed to stop 'tampering' avoiding that breaks the DMCA just like breaking the DVD encoding broke it.
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#77Won't this just lead to manufactures using better crypto to lock us out from changing things?
I mean, secureboot-like practices can be pretty effective at preventing modifications. They can also be sold as 'security' rather than 'fuck you we want as much control as possible'.
Re: DMCA exemption for repairs, modifications, research on your vehicle takes effect
#78I don't get how it was illegal before since reverse engineering was always legal [1]. What is the difference with DMCA? [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reverse_engineering#Legality
The DMCA only allows reverse engineering for a very narrow "interoperability" purpose. "I wanted to fix my car" isn't "I wanted to achieve interoperability with something else", so it was illegal.
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#79How did the DMCA ever get passed? It's an absolutely insane, ludicrous set of laws. I'm going to start selling shirts that say "Today I Broke The DMCA". No matter who wears it, it's probably true.
> I'm going to start selling shirts that say "Today I Broke The DMCA". That actually happened with DeCSS. Many many years ago, in an internet far far away, some clever hackers determined how to decrypt DRM-protected DVDs. They even built a decryption program and named it DeCSS. Several court cases followed, usually based upon WIPO CC, the treaty that the DMCA implements. In DVD CCA v. Bunner , a California court issu…
"You are committing a crime right now": http://blog.erratasec.com/2012/11/you-are-committing-crime-r...
Re: DMCA exemption for repairs, modifications, research on your vehicle takes effect
#80ObQuote: "If a law is unjust, a man is not only right to disobey it, he is obligated to do so." -- Thomas Jefferson
Well, this is common rule for russia - disobeying stupid laws, but, believe me, you don't want this. In such conditions everything is simple - you are always guilty.