One thing that I thought was funny about the hackers remotely hacking the Jeep, is that after the article was published and posted here, an HN user went on and reported them to them to High Way patrol.
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#22How did the DMCA ever get passed? It's an absolutely insane, ludicrous set of laws. I'm going to start selling shirts that say "Today I Broke The DMCA". No matter who wears it, it's probably true.
It's the aftermath from inventing intellectual property. Patents were once called monopolies. What I find amusing is, you get this staunchly anti-government/libertarians who are also incredibly pro-IP. And yet IP is all based on governments granting monopoly power over ideas, with violations enabling the owner to engage in all kinds of punative behavior with the government as the strong arm. Ironic.
I think there's something valid about a government protected temporary monopoly. But in the case of copyright, for example, it's life plus 70 or more years. It is ridiculous, as in, worthy of ridicule. Medical patents are 20 years, which itself is too long, but it's made worse by rather permissive ways in which they can be effectively renewed by barely changing the medicine.
You know what it is? It's a way to get white collar work to continue to pay out more than, and longer than, the actual amount and duration of work on a thing takes. It's an incentive to do that kind of work. But I agree that it's grossly lopsided when you can't do repair or research on that same material - that's one of the original points of patent and copyright law. Put your ideas on paper so that you not only get protection for a while, but others can create derivatives that are better, and thereby we learn more about it all.
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#23before DMCA - "whatever is not prohibited is permitted", in the DMCA world - "whatever is not permitted is prohibited". New generations wouldn't even know it the other way.
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#24One thing that I thought was funny about the hackers remotely hacking the Jeep, is that after the article was published and posted here, an HN user went on and reported them to them to High Way patrol. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9921987
Not really that funny if you watch the actual video.
You can watch it from 2:00 onwards:
http://dp8hsntg6do36.cloudfront.net/55ad80d461646d4db7000005...
Re: DMCA exemption for repairs, modifications, research on your vehicle takes effect
#25One thing that I thought was funny about the hackers remotely hacking the Jeep, is that after the article was published and posted here, an HN user went on and reported them to them to High Way patrol. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9921987
Yup.
I like how people asks if the setting was necessary. Would they have got off their asses if it wasn't done on public roads?
Re: DMCA exemption for repairs, modifications, research on your vehicle takes effect
#26One thing that I thought was funny about the hackers remotely hacking the Jeep, is that after the article was published and posted here, an HN user went on and reported them to them to High Way patrol. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9921987
Okay, so what did the High Way Patrol (is that seriously a thing?!) do about it?
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#27One thing that I thought was funny about the hackers remotely hacking the Jeep, is that after the article was published and posted here, an HN user went on and reported them to them to High Way patrol. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9921987
And the HN user that reported them did the right thing IMO. Ethical research is a thing.
The user reported them to hi-po not because they were 'hacking', but because they intentionally created a dangerous situation on a highway by stalling a car, which could have gotten multiple people killed.
It's similar to the guy that decided to connect to the turbofan with his laptop on a populated passenger airplane in flight.
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#28How did the DMCA ever get passed? It's an absolutely insane, ludicrous set of laws. I'm going to start selling shirts that say "Today I Broke The DMCA". No matter who wears it, it's probably true.
It's the aftermath from inventing intellectual property. Patents were once called monopolies. What I find amusing is, you get this staunchly anti-government/libertarians who are also incredibly pro-IP. And yet IP is all based on governments granting monopoly power over ideas, with violations enabling the owner to engage in all kinds of punative behavior with the government as the strong arm. Ironic. I think there's s…
I thought patents were an incentive to invest in research and development. Without patents, anyone who invests in research is at a disadvantage because when they come up with something good, their competitors can copy them at no cost.
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#29How did the DMCA ever get passed? It's an absolutely insane, ludicrous set of laws. I'm going to start selling shirts that say "Today I Broke The DMCA". No matter who wears it, it's probably true.
>I'm going to start selling shirts that say "Today I Broke The DMCA".
That actually happened with DeCSS.
Many many years ago, in an internet far far away, some clever hackers determined how to decrypt DRM-protected DVDs. They even built a decryption program and named it DeCSS. Several court cases followed, usually based upon WIPO CC, the treaty that the DMCA implements.
In DVD CCA v. Bunner, a California court issued a preliminary injunction against a website owner for hosting DeCSS. As an entirely predictable result, the internet responded by disseminating it far and wide.
Some people even put it on t-shirts: http://www.design-reuse.com/news_img/20080804_1.gif
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#30How did the DMCA ever get passed? It's an absolutely insane, ludicrous set of laws. I'm going to start selling shirts that say "Today I Broke The DMCA". No matter who wears it, it's probably true.
> I'm going to start selling shirts that say "Today I Broke The DMCA". That actually happened with DeCSS. Many many years ago, in an internet far far away, some clever hackers determined how to decrypt DRM-protected DVDs. They even built a decryption program and named it DeCSS. Several court cases followed, usually based upon WIPO CC, the treaty that the DMCA implements. In DVD CCA v. Bunner , a California court issu…
A clear example of the Streisand effect in action.
More recently, this happened with the decryption key that starts with 09 F9...