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Why It Took So Long to Invent the Wheel (2012)

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Re: Why It Took So Long to Invent the Wheel (2012)

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The wheel is one part of a two part invention: 1) The wheel 2) smooth hard-ish surfaces that are large enough to be worth going anywhere Without either, the wheel on its own isn't worth much. It turns out roads are a much older, more useful invention without which the wheel doesn't make much sense.

Rollers work well on all sorts of terrains.

Wheels are good, eg wheelbarrows, on hardened earth of a footpath.

Re: Why It Took So Long to Invent the Wheel (2012)

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The wheel is one part of a two part invention: 1) The wheel 2) smooth hard-ish surfaces that are large enough to be worth going anywhere Without either, the wheel on its own isn't worth much. It turns out roads are a much older, more useful invention without which the wheel doesn't make much sense.

Settlers beat trails across the American west. Granted, much of it is hard and flat, but it didn't take a lot of improvement to get that way.

There's also still lots of relatively major roads in undeveloped countries that are not smooth or hardish. http://www.flickriver.com/photos/globalizepeace/3832727846/

Re: Why It Took So Long to Invent the Wheel (2012)

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I often like to fantasize how would I fare if I found myself suddenly transported into medieval times or earlier (spoiler: poorly). Articles like this make me appreciate even more how little difference there is between us and humans thousands of years ago. I wouldn't have figured out how to make a working wheel, and I've seen one. I have no idea where I picked up the idea that "ancient civilizations were dumb", but t…

Two really good literature treatments of your fantasy are Mark Twain's Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur's Court, and Jules Verne's Mysterious Island. They both have as major plot elements a character who has a lot of knowledge of fabrication techniques, and recreate their technology in a primitive situation (one involves time travel, the other is stranded on a primitive island). On another note, I've heard that the…

Another good take on the idea is Lest Darkness Fall, which features time travel to 6th century Rome.

Re: Why It Took So Long to Invent the Wheel (2012)

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I often like to fantasize how would I fare if I found myself suddenly transported into medieval times or earlier (spoiler: poorly). Articles like this make me appreciate even more how little difference there is between us and humans thousands of years ago. I wouldn't have figured out how to make a working wheel, and I've seen one. I have no idea where I picked up the idea that "ancient civilizations were dumb", but t…

The "what would I try to invent?" question one is fascinating. If I found myself transported back to Roman times, I'd aim to make a lens. The Romans had glass so the raw material is there. With a lens you can fairly quickly go a telescope, which has immediate military application, so would perhaps be widely adopted. Astronomy might then follow, heading off the whole "Earth is the centre of Universe" thing that held b…

Telephone or at least telegraph are also easy, and may be even more valuable in a military setting.

Re: Why It Took So Long to Invent the Wheel (2012)

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I often like to fantasize how would I fare if I found myself suddenly transported into medieval times or earlier (spoiler: poorly). Articles like this make me appreciate even more how little difference there is between us and humans thousands of years ago. I wouldn't have figured out how to make a working wheel, and I've seen one. I have no idea where I picked up the idea that "ancient civilizations were dumb", but t…

The trick might be to try to leverage the knowledge of the contemporary craftsmen. Not sure how you establish the credibility to do that, but you don't actually need to know how to fit a wheel to utilize the concept.

Re: Why It Took So Long to Invent the Wheel (2012)

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I heard the story differently. Wheels are only really useful if you have good enough streets to use them on and building streets is a huge upfront investment. It is also a chicken egg problem - wheels are only useful with streets and streets are only useful for wheels. Without streets you are better of carrying your stuff around than trying to push it around on wheels in natural terrain. That is also why the wheel fi…

Streets? Where we came from, we needed no.. streets ;) I mean, didn't "streets" emerge really from commonly-travelled paths carved by feet and horse hooves and time, and really most non-paved paths are quite fine for most wheels? Perhaps they last longer on pavement, but other than that..

I didn't want to imply pavement when I said streets. The question is what commonly traveled paths look like before the wheel. If they were just desire paths, then they were not suitable for carts because they are to narrow even if they were used with horses or other animals instead of just walking. Could they already have been wide enough for example because of several people walking next to each other? Certainly, but were they? I personally can not think any path I have ever used that was wide enough for carts but never intended or actually used by any sort of vehicle.

Re: Why It Took So Long to Invent the Wheel (2012)

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I often like to fantasize how would I fare if I found myself suddenly transported into medieval times or earlier (spoiler: poorly). Articles like this make me appreciate even more how little difference there is between us and humans thousands of years ago. I wouldn't have figured out how to make a working wheel, and I've seen one. I have no idea where I picked up the idea that "ancient civilizations were dumb", but t…

> I often like to fantasize how would I fare if I found myself suddenly transported into medieval times or earlier

I wonder the same. If I was suddenly teleported to the middle of a forest, without anything, not even my shoes and clothes, and no chance of any contact with civilization again, what SHOULD my first few tasks even be??

Imagine a modern human, ideal in health and strength and faculties, and immune to disease or aging, teleported butt-naked to a copy of the planet Earth where there never had been any humans — so no chance of radio, or rescue choppers seeing your smoke signals, or finding any technology that you didn't make yourself.

The only thing that person has is a version of Wikipedia in their brain, so they know how everything is built and how nature works.

How long will it take for them to resch current levels of technology, and be able to construct a device like the one you're reading this on? Would two people make a significant difference?

How would you fare in that situation?

Re: Why It Took So Long to Invent the Wheel (2012)

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Wheels were certainly in use well before 3500BC.

http://mentalfloss.com/article/62357/who-actually-invented-w...

(A casual Google check will reveal other examples as well)

Also parent article mentions metal tools being needed to bore holes for the shaft. Other methods could do this also... people worked intricately with wood long before metal was used (although metal would certainly speed up mass production.)

As far as roads, you don't really need roads for a wheel to be useful. You just need a flat semi hard surface. People crossed the US in horse drawn wagons without roads. Not sure where the "roads" argument comes from other than, sure, better roads means more wheeled vehicles.

Re: Why It Took So Long to Invent the Wheel (2012)

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The wheel is one part of a two part invention: 1) The wheel 2) smooth hard-ish surfaces that are large enough to be worth going anywhere Without either, the wheel on its own isn't worth much. It turns out roads are a much older, more useful invention without which the wheel doesn't make much sense.

You can use wheels without roads. Wheels were used before roads were built. Wheeled chariots were even used on battlefields, which is far from optimal circumstances. And also wheelbarrows and similar things are very useful for doing work.

Re: Why It Took So Long to Invent the Wheel (2012)

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If you think INVENTING the wheel took a long time, wait till you learn how long it took to put them on suitcases: http://www.worldatlas.com/articles/did-you-know-that-we-went... (spoiler alert: we got to the moon first!)

I'm surprised this article didn't give some credit to the Americans with Disabilities Act, which is a main reason there are ramps you can use with your wheeled luggage instead of hauling it up the steps to a building entrance.
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