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Re: General questions about the Airbnb Community Commitment

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Post by jrochkind1 » Sat, Oct 29, 2016, 1:16 PM UTC

tacunota wrote: post #79

ddorian43 wrote: post #15

In a recent thread (too lazy to link), many users agreed that roma people ~suck in ~europe (because they keep to themselfes and their own culture, which sucks, and they don't integrate). I probably would discriminate against one if I was renting my "thing". It's time for airbnb(github/twitter too) to start dying I think. Edit: I welcome you to show your counter examples.

The problem with talking about Roma here is that Americans look at them as the blacks of Europe, which is not the case. There are good blacks. Lot more of good blacks than bad blacks, there's no question about it, and despite the statistics, I wouldn't act threatened around blacks, if I ever visited the US. I live in Southern Spain. Roma live so constrained to themselves they even speak Spanish with a completely diff…

I think it you are not from the U.S. You realize racists in the U.S. consider black people _the exact same_ way you consider Roma? You believe the distinction is that the racists in the U.S. are incorrect in their beliefs, but you are correct in your beliefs? Okay...

Re: General questions about the Airbnb Community Commitment

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Post by infosample » Sat, Oct 29, 2016, 1:18 PM UTC

eruditely wrote: post #11

White people continue trying to speak for minorities, there's more to us than just black people you know, you can be skeptical for your safety if that's all the information you have.

Airbnb provides a lot more information about a guest than a picture.

You can be skeptical for your safety on Airbnb but it wouldn't be empirical.

Re: General questions about the Airbnb Community Commitment

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Post by dominotw » Sat, Oct 29, 2016, 1:20 PM UTC

tdkl wrote: post #89

randycupertino wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I just hate Airbnb because of all he stupid rules. I go on vacation to relax and don't want to have to feed your cat or make a curfew. Especially when I can stay in a mid-range hotel for the same price without all the rules and the bs $200 cleaning fee!

But the community feelings ! /s As someone who lived in socialism it's hilarious to see how socialist values are now being marketed and sold as a business, without wanting to be responsible for it by the company who sells the idea.

I don't think its socialism though. Modern life has isolated us eg: I am a single guy and I can't go to the park and hang out there and hope to talk to people because I am scared to be branded a weirdo/pedophile. I don't like going to bars which are usually the spot 'for adults'.

I use airbnb to see how locals live, when they wake up, how they get to work, what kind of breakfast they eat ect.

Re: General questions about the Airbnb Community Commitment

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Post by gaius » Sat, Oct 29, 2016, 1:22 PM UTC

OliverJones wrote: post #101

jacquesm wrote: post #47

Airbnb can do whatever they want in property they own/lease. However since they 'share' (funny word that) people's private homes they will have to live with the fact that those people will refuse guests for whatever reasons they feel like, this is the flip side of the coin of not having a relationship where they are in control (employer, employee, owner of the premises). Airbnb wants to have its cake and eat it too,…

"What proof?" you ask? Housing antidiscrimination enforcement teams have been highly skilled at gathering this proof for well over a generation and making charges stick. Not sure about this? Ask your favorite search engine to look up "housing discrimination enforcement NYC" for example. If Airbnb were a local chamber of commerce making bookings for bed and breakfast places, it might be valid that they're just a booki…

If AirBnB is able to dictate what it's landlords can and can't do that makes them disguised employees no? Something else the government is good at sniffing out!

Re: General questions about the Airbnb Community Commitment

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Post by Lucadg » Sat, Oct 29, 2016, 1:22 PM UTC

boards2x wrote: post #88

Lucadg wrote: post #42

I used to work in a camping site in Northern Italy many years ago. We were openly told not to accept people from the south of Italy as they statistically were more noisy. I didn't like it but it actually made sense. It just wasn't viable to mix Germans and Napoleteans in a tight space. I guess Germans earned that right with politness. Then one day I let gipsies in and I almost got fired.

What a sad and pathetic excuse for discrimination based on culture and values. You're not only generalizing you seem to be in denial. Pay a visit to any popular vacation holiday in Spain or Portugal and test for yourself who are the loud, abnocious and ugly Europeans. We are doing our best to avoid any concentration of brits, Germans and Dutch on our holidays for the exact reason. We recently bought a house in Spain…

A few years later I worked in Benidorm and I know what you mean :) Only it turns out those Germans in the camping were a different sort: zero problems, ever. I'm sure we would have been told to refuse Germans if they had been noisy/impolite. I'm also pretty sure 90% of the south italians we refused would have been nice and polite and more friendly that the average German. That's why I said I didn't like it. But it's the other 10% they were trying to avoid. 10% bad guys can easily spoil the holiday to 90% good ones.

Not an easy business to be in, but sometimes you don't have a choice.

Re: General questions about the Airbnb Community Commitment

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Post by tacunota » Sat, Oct 29, 2016, 1:22 PM UTC

jrochkind1 wrote: post #111

tacunota wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The problem with talking about Roma here is that Americans look at them as the blacks of Europe, which is not the case. There are good blacks. Lot more of good blacks than bad blacks, there's no question about it, and despite the statistics, I wouldn't act threatened around blacks, if I ever visited the US. I live in Southern Spain. Roma live so constrained to themselves they even speak Spanish with a completely diff…

I think it you are not from the U.S. You realize racists in the U.S. consider black people _the exact same_ way you consider Roma? You believe the distinction is that the racists in the U.S. are incorrect in their beliefs, but you are correct in your beliefs? Okay...

Did you read my comment? I said, if a Roma doesn't want to be identified as a Roma, he can because there's almost no visible differences between a Roma and a native, so if a Roma is being discriminated against, it's because he wanted it to be that way.

My point is: a black will always suffer from prejudice, because he's black, and he can't change his skin colour. A Roma, on the other hand, won't be suffer from prejudice if he acts as a civilised person would.

Re: General questions about the Airbnb Community Commitment

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Post by Lucadg » Sat, Oct 29, 2016, 1:23 PM UTC

jrochkind1 wrote: post #108

Lucadg wrote: post #42

I used to work in a camping site in Northern Italy many years ago. We were openly told not to accept people from the south of Italy as they statistically were more noisy. I didn't like it but it actually made sense. It just wasn't viable to mix Germans and Napoleteans in a tight space. I guess Germans earned that right with politness. Then one day I let gipsies in and I almost got fired.

Replace "south of Italy/Napoleteans" with "Latinos", "Germans" with "whites", and "gipsies" with "blacks". Do you still feel okay saying that?

no because that would make it a racial discrimination. Ours was more a cultural one.

Re: General questions about the Airbnb Community Commitment

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Post by brianwawok » Sat, Oct 29, 2016, 1:29 PM UTC

OliverJones wrote: post #101

jacquesm wrote: post #47

Airbnb can do whatever they want in property they own/lease. However since they 'share' (funny word that) people's private homes they will have to live with the fact that those people will refuse guests for whatever reasons they feel like, this is the flip side of the coin of not having a relationship where they are in control (employer, employee, owner of the premises). Airbnb wants to have its cake and eat it too,…

"What proof?" you ask? Housing antidiscrimination enforcement teams have been highly skilled at gathering this proof for well over a generation and making charges stick. Not sure about this? Ask your favorite search engine to look up "housing discrimination enforcement NYC" for example. If Airbnb were a local chamber of commerce making bookings for bed and breakfast places, it might be valid that they're just a booki…

Generally went renting a room, you are allowed to discriminate. A post of three girls looking for a forth girl to share is generally legal.

So it seems like this commitment is actually going past what the law says.

I would never rent our my place so maybe I am not the target audience. But this would lower my odds even more. If I own the place, I want to discriminate on who stays there.

Re: General questions about the Airbnb Community Commitment

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Post by jrochkind1 » Sat, Oct 29, 2016, 1:32 PM UTC

tacunota wrote: post #116

jrochkind1 wrote: post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think it you are not from the U.S. You realize racists in the U.S. consider black people _the exact same_ way you consider Roma? You believe the distinction is that the racists in the U.S. are incorrect in their beliefs, but you are correct in your beliefs? Okay...

Did you read my comment? I said, if a Roma doesn't want to be identified as a Roma, he can because there's almost no visible differences between a Roma and a native, so if a Roma is being discriminated against, it's because he wanted it to be that way. My point is: a black will always suffer from prejudice, because he's black, and he can't change his skin colour. A Roma, on the other hand, won't be suffer from prejud…

I did, and I'm telling you racists in the U.S. think the same way, but perhaps for "I wouldn't even know they were black if they acted right." They say "I'm not racist, I just see how trashy black people behave, I'm fine with black people that behave right, it's just that most of them don't." I could find examples if you really want, but I don't particularly want to do that research.

Everyone that's racist thinks it's because they are justified by the behavior of the ethnic group they are racist again. It's always been that way.

Re: General questions about the Airbnb Community Commitment

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Post by jrochkind1 » Sat, Oct 29, 2016, 1:33 PM UTC

Lucadg wrote: post #117

jrochkind1 wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Replace "south of Italy/Napoleteans" with "Latinos", "Germans" with "whites", and "gipsies" with "blacks". Do you still feel okay saying that?

no because that would make it a racial discrimination. Ours was more a cultural one.

That's what the racists think too, here in the U.S. anyway. They think they are just not okay with the "culture" of the people they are racist against.