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Re: The bizarre role reversal of Apple and Microsoft

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Post by TazeTSchnitzel »

jrockway wrote: post #107
rayiner wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Windows 10 still has two different control panels. Last year, a Microsoft PM tweeted he hadn't had to use the old control panel "in months": https://twitter.com/brandonleblanc/status/650519136196366338... . Microsoft had been shipping two control panels for three years at that point. People would be apoplectic if Apple did something like that.

This is kind of what I like about Windows 10; it can be a dumbed-down experience for people that don't care, but if you want, there are gradually escalating levels of configurability. Settings -> Control Panel -> fuck it, I'll edit the registry directly. I would definitely not want to maintain this codebase, but as an end user, I'm happy.

macOS has something better: all the settings in one place.

Windows used to have something like that too, I think it was called the Control Panel.

Re: The bizarre role reversal of Apple and Microsoft

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Post by TazeTSchnitzel »

serge2k wrote: post #95
TheOtherHobbes wrote: post #91

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Apple absolutely invented competent technology marketing. If you look at the old issues of Byte, you can immediately see the difference. Most of the ads are generic spec/price lists with maybe some crappy hand-drawn graphics. A few are photos and professionally drawn images with some attempts at metaphor, but they invariably look crude, heavy-handed, jokey, or cartoony. The primary focus in the early Apple ads is the…

I thought rose gold was more about appealing to asian markets?

Well, Gold appeals to China, but is Rose Gold maybe its own thing?

Re: The bizarre role reversal of Apple and Microsoft

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Post by serge2k »

nxc18 wrote: post #75
nilkn wrote: post #64

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If you take a close look at windows, you'll see that WSL is already doing a pretty good job of giving you that UNIX environment (really Linux) on windows. Things like proper apt-get and not having to deal with Homebrew are nice. It is early days, but things keep getting better. The 'I need Unix' crowd will soon find that Windows is a much better Unix than macOS ever was.

> Windows is a much better Unix

Cutler must be crying right now.

Re: The bizarre role reversal of Apple and Microsoft

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Post by rjbwork »

bitwize wrote: post #51
rjbwork wrote: post #42

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>Who doesn't have a laptop that hasn't been modeled after the macbook. As soon as they can pack the power i'm looking for in my laptops into an apple style case, i'll be there. Until then i'll be sticking with my boxy black Clevo.

Surprise: Virtually all laptops are modelled after an Apple machine. The boxy black ones are PowerBook clones. Apple established the dedign language used by every laptop manufacturer since, in the early 90s: clamshell case, hinge at the rear, keyboard towards the back of the lower half with the trackpad front and center and all that wonderful blank space on either side usable as wrist rests.

I dunno, I have to agree with the other dude that they pretty much just cribbed from the NEC UltraLite.

Re: The bizarre role reversal of Apple and Microsoft

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Post by blhack »

gigatexal wrote: post #35

Thursday's reveal of new MacBooks was so lackluster I am rethinking my loyalty to Apple. The Apple platform has always been the most productive platform for me. But other firms seem to be innovating and iterating on things quicker than Apple has: rumor has it that Apple will more or less copy the edge-to-edge display of Chinese handsets or the rounded edges of the S7 Edge, wtf, what happened to doing really bold thin…

>what happened to doing really bold things that nobody else has, or can?

This mentality is what resulted in them shipping what is essentially a portable media player that doesn't allow you to plug almost every pair of headphones that has been manufactured in the last 30+ years into it.

Bold!

Re: The bizarre role reversal of Apple and Microsoft

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Post by pbhjpbhj »

basch wrote: post #71
nilkn wrote: post #64

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>a developer who needs a Unix-based OS. Windows 10 includes binary compatibility. bit-for-bit, checksum-for-checksum Ubuntu ELF binaries running directly in Windows. all of Ubuntu user space. a full copy of ubuntu built in. Windows not working as a unix-like os for developers isnt reality anymore.

Well, I missed that announcement - http://thehackernews.com/2016/03/ubuntu-on-windows-10.html or http://blog.dustinkirkland.com/2016/03/ubuntu-on-windows.htm....

Are you "Kirkland", you used the exact same phrasing.

Re: The bizarre role reversal of Apple and Microsoft

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Post by blhack »

nathas wrote: post #46
bradleybuda wrote: post #43

I'll keep buying Apple hardware (even if the latest rev isn't great) since macOS is the only usable operating system. Windows is (still/increasingly?) a tire fire that's only useful if you're a gamer, and Linux is for programmer-masochists.

Why do you think Windows is a tire fire and OSX is usable? I used my first OSX machine ever earlier this year. I wanted to add some extra keyboard commands, so I had to download a 3rd party program that had to unlock accessibility controls and essentially take full control of the machine. That's absurd to me. I also hit tons of external display problems. Things wouldn't connect or sync right, desktops not correctly m…

>Why do you think Windows is a tire fire and OSX is usable?

Because OSX comes with a terminal environment that is almost identical to GNU.

Re: The bizarre role reversal of Apple and Microsoft

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Post by kilroy123 »

I keep reading about how unhappy people are with Apples latest reveal. I feel the same way. No way am I upgrading my 2015 Mac Book Pro with the new one.

Still, Apple will not change a thing unless people actually vote with their wallets. If you're really so upset, do NOT buy this damn computer!

If this latest line sees very little sells, they'll get the idea.

Re: The bizarre role reversal of Apple and Microsoft

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Post by grzm »

kilroy123 wrote: post #118

I keep reading about how unhappy people are with Apples latest reveal. I feel the same way. No way am I upgrading my 2015 Mac Book Pro with the new one. Still, Apple will not change a thing unless people actually vote with their wallets. If you're really so upset, do NOT buy this damn computer! If this latest line sees very little sells, they'll get the idea.

Initial indications are that they're selling well. Touch Bar model shipping estimates were already slipping 3–4 weeks within 6 hours of going on sale:

http://www.macrumors.com/2016/10/27/macbook-pro-shipping-est...

Re: The bizarre role reversal of Apple and Microsoft

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Post by stouset »

emp_zealoth wrote: post #97
jimbokun wrote: post #8

I was thinking recently how Bill Gates often said the biggest competitor to Windows was the previous version of Windows. Alternate OSes didn't have enough market share or compatible software to really be a threat, but customers always had the option of just not upgrading. iPhone seems in a very similar position. Sure, there are some people who will switch from iPhone to an Android phone. But Apple's biggest challenge…

They have a killer feature for that! Glued in batteries you cannot reasonably replace, unreliable buttons that fail easily, the like

You mean batteries that rarely if ever need replacing (this isn't still the 1990s) and now fewer button to fail (the home button hasn't been a problem anyway for years now anyway)?

Not everything is a conspiracy, FFS.

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