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Ask HN: Is Dell XPS Developer Edition a Good Replacement of Macbook Pro?

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Re: Ask HN: Is Dell XPS Developer Edition a Good Replacement of Macbook Pro?

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I have been using an XPS 13 9350 for around 6 months now, coming from an 13" 2015 MacBook Pro. I picked up a basic FHD core i5 model with 8GB of RAM on sale, replaced the WiFi chip with an Intel 8260NGW and replaced the 128GB SSD with a 256GB Samsung 950 Pro NVMe. All said and done, I spent less than $1,000.

Ubuntu 16.04: Pretty much works flawlessly as long as you have Intel WiFi- I had some issues with a flashing screen at first but they all seem to have been resolved using `apt-get upgrade`. Suspend/resume, audio controls, and brightness controls all work fine. I run docker images for pretty much everything and it's great to have native docker without a VM involved.

Physical Characteristics: It is very light and easy to use on the lap, on the couch, or in bed. It feels more like a MacBook Air than a MacBook Pro. Fans are on the bottom but they don't really spin up that much, even when I don't have anything under it.

Keyboard and Touchpad: Keyboard is fine. Touchpad is a lot smaller and more "clicky" than a MacBook Pro. The force touch on the MacBook Pro is way better (it's pretty much the gold standard of touchpads).

Screen: I have the FHD screen because I don't care about touch, and it is Matte (the QHD+ touchscreen is glossy). DPI scaling in Ubuntu 16.04 is hit or miss. In my experience, some apps, like Chrome, only respect DPI Scaling if it's in multiples of 0.5 Other apps, like Firefox only respect DPI scaling if it's an even number. JetBrains products do a good job of respecting DPI scaling though. I keep it at 1x DPI scaling, so everything looks pretty small at 1920x1080. If you go with the QHD+ touchscreen, native resolution is 3200x1800 so 2x DPI scaling will be an effective resolution of 1600x900, and it will look great. I think most apps should work fine at 2x DPI scaling.

Webcam: The webcam location really is stupid. I dislike video chatting on this computer so much I'd rather use my phone. I use Android and kind of miss iMessage and FaceTime from the mac (it's how I would talk to some Apple friends), but whatever.

Other Thoughts: Linux FTW. IMO, the last good release of OS X was 10.6.8. Everything after that either changed the scrolling direction or added some sort of bloat to the OS. I'd run 10.6.8 still if I could. Ubuntu 16.04 feels like getting your life back. It's super quick, you can use apt-get to install dev tools instead of hacking around with homebrew, you get the real version of `sed`, and you don't feel like Apple controls your life anymore. Gotta say it twice- native Docker support and no messing around with VMs anymore!

Take the leap of faith and get the XPS 13. Or a Lenovo with good linux support. Part of me wants to try out the big ass trackpad on the new MacBook Pro but none of me wants to go back to paying $2k every time I want to upgrade my laptop.

Re: Ask HN: Is Dell XPS Developer Edition a Good Replacement of Macbook Pro?

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post #8

Yes, I've been using a Retina MacBook Pro 13" (early 15) and 15" (mid 15) and just picked up the xps 13 9350 with iris pro. There are definitely some quality control issues but once you get a working model with no faults (I had one that wouldn't reboot and had terrible coil whine, one that had loose trackpad and yellow tint on screen but this could also be because of Amazon's shitty packaging where the laptop was in…

I'm surprised no one has linked to this already, but Ars: http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2016/06/the-xps-13-de-dell-co... has a pretty thorough review.

If we're talking about MBP replacements, Purism also has an interesting one: https://www.crowdsupply.com/purism/librem-13, but they're much smaller than Dell.

Re: Ask HN: Is Dell XPS Developer Edition a Good Replacement of Macbook Pro?

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I have xps 9550 FHD with 512GB SSD and 16GB RAM. I installed Ubuntu gnome 16.10. Everything worked out if the box. I even played steam games on Linux (like firewatch). I get around 6 hours of Rails and Ember development.

I think it's really good machine.

Re: Ask HN: Is Dell XPS Developer Edition a Good Replacement of Macbook Pro?

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post #41

Unfortunately XPS Developer Edition does not support external 4k displays @ 60Mhz like Dell's own P2715Q. If that kind of thing matters to you. Otherwise I think it a great machine.

I think people are talking new gen XPS here right? Think all of them have supported 4k external @60hz as they have nothing older than broadwell.

I'm sitting here now with a gen1 xps 13 2015 pushing a 4k monitor at 4k 60hz.

My xps 15 in work also supports 4k @60hz although needs an annoying usb-c to displayport dongle.

Re: Ask HN: Is Dell XPS Developer Edition a Good Replacement of Macbook Pro?

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post #7

In a similar boat. The closest machine to the Macbook Pro is the razer blade stealth. http://www.techradar.com/reviews/razer-blade-stealth-2016 It's basically a rip-off of the (2015) macbook machined aluminium body design. It has the 7th gen processors rather than than the 6th of the new macbook, and a similar price. Not sure about linux support, from what I've read there may be an issue with the webcam.

Oh? I had read that everything worked ootb. I'm interested in that model for my next machine. Got a link for me aboit the webcam?

Re: Ask HN: Is Dell XPS Developer Edition a Good Replacement of Macbook Pro?

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14" Razer Blade 1060, grab a dbrand matte skin to cover the hideous Razer logo. No problems with Ubuntu 16.10 currently installed. Also have a 13" Dell XPS dev edition used for specific work. It's a nice system as well. The Razer def has more power if you want a full replacement.

How do you live with the bezel?

Re: Ask HN: Is Dell XPS Developer Edition a Good Replacement of Macbook Pro?

#69
post #3

I recommend carbon 3rd gen

Seconded. I have this running xubuntu and all is fine with the world. My only complaint is the limited ram.

Apparently there are a lot of complains on quality, as in "quality control" before shipping to people doesn't exist, if you are lucky, you're fine, if not, you'll need to return, is that true?

Re: Ask HN: Is Dell XPS Developer Edition a Good Replacement of Macbook Pro?

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I'd love to see some real competition with macbooks but I haven't seen anything close yet... Alternatives do exist but they are still very expensive... I mean really, they are bloody expensive. When I'm thinking about putting this kind of money on the table, I just go to apple store, no?

Why on earth there's no startup which just puts together linux laptops? I'm sure you can grab Chinese/Taiwanese/Korean whitelabelish product customised with linux friendly peripherals or just put the box together yourself with engraved penguins here and there. Half of devs would love it, another half would hate it - but that should be enough to survive, no?

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