FBI Reopens Clinton E-Mail Probe Less Than Two Weeks Before Vote • Hacker News Board

Re: FBI Reopens Clinton E-Mail Probe Less Than Two Weeks Before Vote

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Post by tomjen3 » Fri, Oct 28, 2016, 8:41 PM UTC

woodruffw wrote: post #29

I find Comey's decision to disclose this new investigation less than 2 weeks from election day extremely perplexing. By all means, perform your investigation, but to announce it immediately before what's arguably one of the most important elections in modern US history? If I were a paranoid man, I'd say that this looks like an attempt by an unelected official to prejudice voters.

He already covered up for her once, because if he had prosecuted her as he would anybody else it would have put the FBI in charge of choosing the president, which is horrible from all kinds of standpoints, but how many times should he cover it up?

Re: FBI Reopens Clinton E-Mail Probe Less Than Two Weeks Before Vote

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Post by switchfoot23 » Fri, Oct 28, 2016, 8:41 PM UTC

Delmania wrote: post #211

swissoak wrote: post #194

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He was obviously not serious in a literal sense of his words. He was making a point. It'd be like being a football coach shit talking before a game - "the other team should give up, they don't stand a chance". He doesn't literally mean they should give up. This is so blindly obvious to me and anyone else who's capable of a rational thought. I cannot believe you are seriously try to suggest he meant that in the sense…

Wait, should I bring the point at which he said, during a national TV debate, that he would keep us in suspense about his decision to accept the outcome of the election? Then later state he would only accept it if he won? Maybe we should discuss the form on his website that says, “stop crooked Hillary from rigging this election.”? How about his claims of voter fraud despite the fact that no evidence has been found? >…

http://www.whsv.com/content/news/Voter-fraud-investigation-i...

Re: FBI Reopens Clinton E-Mail Probe Less Than Two Weeks Before Vote

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Post by cmsimike » Fri, Oct 28, 2016, 8:47 PM UTC

tdb7893 wrote: post #97

cmsimike wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've always voted democrat as "the lesser of two evils" but this email situation has really ruffled my feathers (and is why I am voting third party). I get that there is favoritism in everything, but the idea that Hillary (at least before looked like she) walked away scott-free after committing what I believe to be a very serious crime whereas any one of us in a similar situation would have been thrown in jail right…

I don't think most people would be jailed for it. There's no evidence of it being malicious so as my dad (who was in the military) put it, "if the government jailed people for doing things that were stupid there would be no one left".

I disagree completely with this. I _want_ to believe I live in a country where not only laws are applied but common sense too.

Do I believe Hillary acted with malicious intent? I don't. I do believe she broke the law.

The reality I believe in is that if it were me somehow in this situation, there would be no common-sense applied, just the letter of the law. No judge would look at my past and see someone making a mistake, or try to get to know me to better understand me. Just gitmo.

Re: FBI Reopens Clinton E-Mail Probe Less Than Two Weeks Before Vote

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Post by xenadu02 » Fri, Oct 28, 2016, 8:48 PM UTC

swissoak wrote: post #216

Delmania wrote: post #211

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wait, should I bring the point at which he said, during a national TV debate, that he would keep us in suspense about his decision to accept the outcome of the election? Then later state he would only accept it if he won? Maybe we should discuss the form on his website that says, “stop crooked Hillary from rigging this election.”? How about his claims of voter fraud despite the fact that no evidence has been found? >…

For the record, I don't support Trump. I think it's highly likely he has sexually assaulted women in the past, I think he's tremendously unqualified to be president, his plan to lower corporate income tax is complete bullshit, and even if he hasn't explicitly said anything racist (I'm not informed enough to say either way) I think it's awful that he's cultivating racists around him unapologetically. Despite all this,…

> Despite all this, I am fucking sick and tired at the outright lies, slander, and disingenuous arguments against Trump. There is plenty to attack him on without all the bullshit. And I'm sick of the Hillary reality distortion that is, from what I can tell, the absolute epitome of everything wrong with politics today.

What is so confusing here? Trump has stated repeatedly that if he loses the election was rigged. He was not joking, he was dead serious. He repeated the claim multiple times. He even refused the settle the issue during the third debate.

That statement alone is a disqualifying event for any politician.

Looking at your other posts I don't believe you about voting third party, you're an obvious Trump supporter. Why lie about it?

Re: FBI Reopens Clinton E-Mail Probe Less Than Two Weeks Before Vote

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Post by okreallywtf » Fri, Oct 28, 2016, 8:48 PM UTC

carsongross wrote: post #62

mzw_mzw wrote: post #7

That was a very strange article with all the near-wishful "igniting speculation about a Clinton defeat" stuff. The whole emails issue has been inside baseball, politics-wise. Insiders and pundits love yelling about it but average voters either don't care (the vast majority) or have already assumed she's guilty/not guilty and priced that into their vote. Reopening the investigation is not going to change the election…

> Reopening the investigation is not going to change the election outcome. Perhaps true. But it does indicate who Comey thinks is going to win the election. If you were the director of the FBI would you re-open an investigation of your about-to-be boss?

Or he is just doing his job and not worrying about who is going to be president? I don't know that much about him but I would like to think its possible for some people to be non partisan.

Re: FBI Reopens Clinton E-Mail Probe Less Than Two Weeks Before Vote

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Post by heurist » Fri, Oct 28, 2016, 8:49 PM UTC

vectorpush wrote: post #151

danenania wrote: post #116

Ok, so Hillary Clinton was and continues to be a corrupt, deceitful, and self-interested operator. She's doubtlessly done all kinds of both borderline and outright illegal things throughout her career. No big surprise here. If elected, she will continue to work the highly imperfect system we've got in lots of shady and questionable ways. But please, let's get real. For all her numerous faults, her opponent represents…

I agree with you, but I think she needs to be indicted if the e-mails prove her to be culpable. Ideally she will win the election, and if the e-mails prove damning she will be indicted and hopefully impeached and forced to resign, leaving Tim Kaine to finish off her term, which IMO would be the best case scenario for the country.

That's pretty presumptive. The last FBI investigation into her emails went a year and found nothing. Given that she's been running for president the last decade or two and republicans will pounce on her over any little misstep, do you really think she'd intentionally do something that could ruin her chances of winning or staying president? Remember that intention is important in law...

Re: FBI Reopens Clinton E-Mail Probe Less Than Two Weeks Before Vote

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Post by AnimalMuppet » Fri, Oct 28, 2016, 8:55 PM UTC

arzt wrote: post #157

swissoak wrote: post #130

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the more likely situation is that Obama pardons her some time after election day.

Is their a historical precedent for something like this? (ie sitting president pardons incoming president?)

Not quite. There is precedent for the new president pardoning the outgoing president, though - Ford pardoned Nixon for anything and everything Nixon had done that was illegal during his term in office. That closed the book on Watergate, but it arguably cost Ford the election to Carter.

Re: FBI Reopens Clinton E-Mail Probe Less Than Two Weeks Before Vote

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Post by swissoak » Fri, Oct 28, 2016, 9:01 PM UTC

xenadu02 wrote: post #244

swissoak wrote: post #216

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For the record, I don't support Trump. I think it's highly likely he has sexually assaulted women in the past, I think he's tremendously unqualified to be president, his plan to lower corporate income tax is complete bullshit, and even if he hasn't explicitly said anything racist (I'm not informed enough to say either way) I think it's awful that he's cultivating racists around him unapologetically. Despite all this,…

> Despite all this, I am fucking sick and tired at the outright lies, slander, and disingenuous arguments against Trump. There is plenty to attack him on without all the bullshit. And I'm sick of the Hillary reality distortion that is, from what I can tell, the absolute epitome of everything wrong with politics today. What is so confusing here? Trump has stated repeatedly that if he loses the election was rigged. He…

I would love to see sources of him saying the elections are rigged if he doesn't win, regardless of circumstances, and it being clear he meant it literally.

Also, suck it: http://i.imgur.com/DJgcABL.png

There's no easy way to for me to 100% prove that's my image or that I immediately hit the "cast ballot" button after taking it, but I promise you won't find that image anywhere else on the internet. And if it helps further drive the point home, there is at most one Republican on that entire ballot.

Re: FBI Reopens Clinton E-Mail Probe Less Than Two Weeks Before Vote

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Post by heurist » Fri, Oct 28, 2016, 9:04 PM UTC

luxuryballs wrote: post #195

MaxfordAndSons wrote: post #178

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Hillary intentionally subverted the democratic process by having the DNC work against Sanders. Sanders was basically an independent running as a Dem. Even though I would have preferred him, it's ridiculous to expect the party not to be preferential towards the inside candidate who has decades of connections. Also primaries are not subject to the same level of protections or expectations of institutional impartialit…

To jail his political opponents? That sounds like a convenient way of spinning the fact that he wants Hillary Clinton to be properly investigated, the fact that she is a political opponent has nothing to do with her crimes. Dang... a President who wants to follow the laws and not give special passes to those in power? We can't have that! The fact that Hillary is able to get away with criminal behavior WHILE IN OFFICE…

A year of impartial FBI investigation isn't enough?

Re: FBI Reopens Clinton E-Mail Probe Less Than Two Weeks Before Vote

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Post by chris11 » Fri, Oct 28, 2016, 9:19 PM UTC

swissoak wrote: post #130

downandout wrote: post #126

Unless an indictment comes down before Election Day, I think it's probably too late for this to have any material impact. Most likely Clinton voters aren't actually Clinton voters - they are anti-Trump voters. An indictment prior to the election would change things, but that will not happen. Clinton has almost no chance of losing. Once she wins, she will then either short circuit the investigation by forcing Comey an…

I think the more likely situation is that Obama pardons her some time after election day.

Yeah, I don't think that will happen. First, the previous report found no wrongdoing. Second, I'm sure Hillary will say that she did not break the law (which is so far supported by the FBI investiagtion unless these new emails change things). And third, Clinton's accuser's don't always care about how accurate their accusations are and Obama's pardon will just give them evidence that they were right. I don't see a pardon needed or useful.