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FBI Reopens Clinton E-Mail Probe Less Than Two Weeks Before Vote
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Re: FBI Reopens Clinton E-Mail Probe Less Than Two Weeks Before Vote
#172Earlier quoted context omitted.
Voting for trump has got to be more loathsome to most that putting up with Clinton's shenanigans.
It seems few people are actually voting for Clinton, but rather voting against Trump. What is something like this leaves such a bad taste in their mouth that they decide to not vote at all?
Your gut's wrong on this one: http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/clinton-voters-arent-jus...
Most Clinton voters are voting for her, not against Trump.
Re: FBI Reopens Clinton E-Mail Probe Less Than Two Weeks Before Vote
#173Earlier quoted context omitted.
She cannot be "convicted" of anything so long as she's in office. She would have to be impeached and removed from office (or resign) before she could actually stand trial for whatever crime may have been committed.
While that's likely how it'd play out, what statute do you feel precludes a President from being convicted?
There is a lot of historical precedent. A US President can generally claim immunity to everything except an impeachment. Regardless of laws, you'd never find someone capable of arrest the US President. Secret service would quickly fill anyone attempting to do so with bullets. Worst case scenario, the President can go hang out at a military base of which he or she has absolute authority. Good luck having the DC Police SWAT one of those.
Re: FBI Reopens Clinton E-Mail Probe Less Than Two Weeks Before Vote
#174Earlier quoted context omitted.
What is the probability that "an unrelated case" is political speak for "wikileaks"?
Pete Williams, NBC's reporter that has sources at the Department of Justice, is reporting that it isn't about wikileaks or emails that Clinton sent. http://www.vox.com/2016/10/28/13458382/fbi-hillary-clinton
Going by https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/792082223461695488
You start to wonder what Huma Abedin might have said to her husband.
Re: FBI Reopens Clinton E-Mail Probe Less Than Two Weeks Before Vote
#175Earlier quoted context omitted.
While I get this sentiment, I would honestly like to know if you feel she has been judged fairly and consistently compared to other email related scandals out there. Most notably the bush white house emails [1] and Colin Powell's use of a personal email account (if not a personal server, though in some ways using an AOL email server has other complications over a private server)[2] I'm not saying the email scandal is…
Other politicians wished they were held to the same standard as the Clintons. The Bush admin had plenty of other controversies and they were reamed by the media repeatedly for those (and justifiably so). It's not like it was hands off. Maybe this is a bigger issue because of the continued lying about what happened, which is an ongoing issue for Clinton.
I admit her handling of the issue has not been great, but that is a trend with most of her "scandals". How she handles them is often worse than the scandal itself (in that there tends to be smoke but no fire).
This to me supports the idea she wasn't trying to hide her state dept emails where they couldn't be accessed via FOI requests. If that were the goal, they would have done what the bush administration did and use that server almost exclusively so that both sender and receiver were on a private server. As it was, emails to and from other state dept staffers using their state dept emails would have copies. If that was an attempt to hide official emails it was not a good one.
Re: FBI Reopens Clinton E-Mail Probe Less Than Two Weeks Before Vote
#176Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think the more likely situation is that Obama pardons her some time after election day.
Is their a historical precedent for something like this? (ie sitting president pardons incoming president?)
I don't believe so, but we have plenty of shitty precedents with Obama's 8 years.
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#177Earlier quoted context omitted.
A week before the election? No. Taking Clinton down, as much as she may deserve it, means the country takes a huge leap toward fascism. It's simple as that.
I find it interesting that you think prosecuting someone for committing a crime would result in fascism, so your solution is to absolve her of the crimes she committed.
As far as we can tell, she has not committed any crimes. Innocent until proven guilty, and all that.
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#178Ok, so Hillary Clinton was and continues to be a corrupt, deceitful, and self-interested operator. She's doubtlessly done all kinds of both borderline and outright illegal things throughout her career. No big surprise here. If elected, she will continue to work the highly imperfect system we've got in lots of shady and questionable ways. But please, let's get real. For all her numerous faults, her opponent represents…
>her opponent represents the very real specter of the end of democracy and the closing of our free society Let me get this straight. Hillary intentionally subverted the democratic process by having the DNC work against Sanders. We have concrete evidence of her working with one of her PACs, which again is highly illegal and subverting our democratic process. She has shady and inappropriate meetings with people respons…
> Hillary intentionally subverted the democratic process by having the DNC work against Sanders.
Sanders was basically an independent running as a Dem. Even though I would have preferred him, it's ridiculous to expect the party not to be preferential towards the inside candidate who has decades of connections. Also primaries are not subject to the same level of protections or expectations of institutional impartiality as general elections, which sucks, but is simply the political reality. Also this is all moot because Hillary won by a significant margin.
> We have concrete evidence of her working with one of her PACs, which again is highly illegal and subverting our democratic process.
Citation?
> She has Obama, using tax payer money, campaigning for her - while not illegal, is pretty morally bankrupt in my opinion.
It's completely normal for the outgoing president to campaign for his party. Only reason Bush didn't do it for McCain was because he was so unpopular at the time.
> She has shady and inappropriate meetings with people responsible for running the voting process. She's sponsored by people who own the voting machines.
Citations?? I haven't heard of any of this. Also - so what? Sounds like a Breitbart or Drudge invention.
> And not to mention that she has inarguably done highly illegal things with her private email server and got off without charges, showing the injustice of our two-tier criminal justice system.
"Inarguably"? If it was truly "inarguable" Comey would have recommended prosecution in the first place.
Trump, otoh, has expressed his desire to suppress the free press, to normalize relations with dictators, to jail his political opponents (not something the president has the authority to do, not that he understands that). He's encouraged violence at rallies and on election day. He's encouraged minority voter suppression and intimidation (which has been part of the republican platform for the past decade, so he's not exceptional in that regard, just in how nakedly he does it). The things HRC has done or been accused of are normal, if disappointing, qualities of a mainstream American politician. The things Trump has done and said he'll do are very clearly in the tradition of fascism.
Re: FBI Reopens Clinton E-Mail Probe Less Than Two Weeks Before Vote
#179Ok, so Hillary Clinton was and continues to be a corrupt, deceitful, and self-interested operator. She's doubtlessly done all kinds of both borderline and outright illegal things throughout her career. No big surprise here. If elected, she will continue to work the highly imperfect system we've got in lots of shady and questionable ways. But please, let's get real. For all her numerous faults, her opponent represents…
I think a bipartisan effort to arrest both of them before the election is the logical way forward. I want a system where criminals are afraid to run for office.
Re: FBI Reopens Clinton E-Mail Probe Less Than Two Weeks Before Vote
#180Earlier quoted context omitted.
>her opponent represents the very real specter of the end of democracy and the closing of our free society Let me get this straight. Hillary intentionally subverted the democratic process by having the DNC work against Sanders. We have concrete evidence of her working with one of her PACs, which again is highly illegal and subverting our democratic process. She has shady and inappropriate meetings with people respons…
> And Trump is the one threatening our democracy? He has stated that if elected, he'll spend the first 100 days suing his accusers. He believes the press has too much freedom of speech. He has claimed the election is rigged against him, and has all but told his supporters to engage in vote suppression. He has said he will attempt to force all Muslims to register into a database. He has said he will ban all Muslims fr…
This is all disingenuous hyperbole. There are plenty of terrible things to pin on Trump without inflating bullshit memes. There is a nugget of truth to some of what you say, but it is not said or meant in the way you state it, and there's no nuggets of truth in anything I have seen that has anything to do with subverting the voting system.