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FBI Reopens Clinton E-Mail Probe Less Than Two Weeks Before Vote

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Re: FBI Reopens Clinton E-Mail Probe Less Than Two Weeks Before Vote

#161

Throughout this whole thing, I can't get past one thing - her using her own server was no big secret when it was happening.

Where did you learn that? I'm actually not disputing what you are saying I just didn't know. I understand that her email address wasn't a .gov address, but it could still (depending on the DNS MX record) identify a government controlled server. Couldn't it?

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#162
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The real question is whether this is because of the KimDotCom tweet, or whether it's related to something in the Podesta emails or otherwise.

It would be rather funny if America's justice system is so inefficient that one agency would have all of the evidence necessary for an investigation and another would fail to at least ask for it .

Except this is exactly what happened last time. They had concrete evidence, they essentially said what she did was illegal, it would have been a slam-dunk case, but regardless said they didn't recommend prosecuting because they didn't think it was feasible.

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#163

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you were a Republican, would you really want Tim Kaine instead of Hillary Clinton? That would be like Democrats impeaching Bush and getting Cheney instead.

Where are you getting Cheney?

Vampires never die. He's in a dark room somewhere, I'm sure.

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#164

Ok, so Hillary Clinton was and continues to be a corrupt, deceitful, and self-interested operator. She's doubtlessly done all kinds of both borderline and outright illegal things throughout her career. No big surprise here. If elected, she will continue to work the highly imperfect system we've got in lots of shady and questionable ways. But please, let's get real. For all her numerous faults, her opponent represents…

>her opponent represents the very real specter of the end of democracy and the closing of our free society Let me get this straight. Hillary intentionally subverted the democratic process by having the DNC work against Sanders. We have concrete evidence of her working with one of her PACs, which again is highly illegal and subverting our democratic process. She has shady and inappropriate meetings with people respons…

> She has Obama, using tax payer money, campaigning for her - while not illegal, is pretty morally bankrupt in my opinion.

Just a point, this is normal with the sitting President campaigning either for themselves for their second term or their parties nominee. Both Trump and Hilary have plenty of valid points against them, so there is no need to muddy the water with points that don't really matter.

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#165
post #118

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> (Chaffetz is also who characterized it as being re-opened, Comey said no such thing). I think there's a technical correctness to that. The FBI won't look into anything if there isn't an open investigation. So it'd have to be re-opened for them to look into it.

Technically it had never been closed in the first place, so if you want to be technical Chaffetz is still full of shit. https://twitter.com/Tom_Winter/status/792065775658012677 https://twitter.com/CBSNews/status/792063653919031296

> Technically it had never been closed in the first place, so if you want to be technical Chaffetz is still full of shit.

I'll give you the point on being technically correct (and Chaffetz being full of...) but counter that by that logic she's been under FBI investigation this whole time.

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#166

Unless an indictment comes down before Election Day, I think it's probably too late for this to have any material impact. Most likely Clinton voters aren't actually Clinton voters - they are anti-Trump voters. An indictment prior to the election would change things, but that will not happen. Clinton has almost no chance of losing. Once she wins, she will then either short circuit the investigation by forcing Comey an…

> voters aren't actually Clinton voters - they are anti-Trump voters Has any poll looked into this ?

"If it weren't for Trump, in fact, Clinton would be the most unpopular major-party presidential nominee in modern American history."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/08/31/a-...

Re: FBI Reopens Clinton E-Mail Probe Less Than Two Weeks Before Vote

#167

Ok, so Hillary Clinton was and continues to be a corrupt, deceitful, and self-interested operator. She's doubtlessly done all kinds of both borderline and outright illegal things throughout her career. No big surprise here. If elected, she will continue to work the highly imperfect system we've got in lots of shady and questionable ways. But please, let's get real. For all her numerous faults, her opponent represents…

>her opponent represents the very real specter of the end of democracy and the closing of our free society Let me get this straight. Hillary intentionally subverted the democratic process by having the DNC work against Sanders. We have concrete evidence of her working with one of her PACs, which again is highly illegal and subverting our democratic process. She has shady and inappropriate meetings with people respons…

> And Trump is the one threatening our democracy?

He has stated that if elected, he'll spend the first 100 days suing his accusers.

He believes the press has too much freedom of speech.

He has claimed the election is rigged against him, and has all but told his supporters to engage in vote suppression.

He has said he will attempt to force all Muslims to register into a database.

He has said he will ban all Muslims from entering the nation.

Would you like me to go? If you listen to his words at campaign rallies, they bear a striking resemblance to fascist dictators on the rise.

Clinton may fit the mold of the "crooked Washington politician", but at the least, she has a basic respect for democracy. Trump, on the other hand, would attempt to utterly plow his way through our legal system for his own gain.

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#168
post #131
post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you can garner the votes in the legislature. If a majority of the house files charges, 2/3 of the senate has to vote in favor. The house seems likely, but it will be the drama of the century to get through the senate going ahead with it, etc. In the current climate, unless a big group of Democrats in the house side with the Republicans on the charges, it can sloughed off as partisan BS. We'd also probably need som…

it can sloughed off as partisan BS Maybe.... but do the Democrats really want a President that is constantly questioned in terms of her ethics?

Has Clinton's ethics ever not been constantly questioned?

I think the Democrats are prepared for that much, at least.

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#169

Ok, so Hillary Clinton was and continues to be a corrupt, deceitful, and self-interested operator. She's doubtlessly done all kinds of both borderline and outright illegal things throughout her career. No big surprise here. If elected, she will continue to work the highly imperfect system we've got in lots of shady and questionable ways. But please, let's get real. For all her numerous faults, her opponent represents…

I agree with you, but I think she needs to be indicted if the e-mails prove her to be culpable. Ideally she will win the election, and if the e-mails prove damning she will be indicted and hopefully impeached and forced to resign, leaving Tim Kaine to finish off her term, which IMO would be the best case scenario for the country.

Impeachment doesn't mean she will be forced to resign. Look at what happened with Bill Clinton. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impeachment_of_Bill_Clinton

Re: FBI Reopens Clinton E-Mail Probe Less Than Two Weeks Before Vote

#170

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree with you, but I think she needs to be indicted if the e-mails prove her to be culpable. Ideally she will win the election, and if the e-mails prove damning she will be indicted and hopefully impeached and forced to resign, leaving Tim Kaine to finish off her term, which IMO would be the best case scenario for the country.

Impeachment doesn't mean she will be forced to resign. Look at what happened with Bill Clinton. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impeachment_of_Bill_Clinton

I understand that, that's why I said "impeached AND forced to resign" :)
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