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Re: FBI Reopens Clinton E-Mail Probe Less Than Two Weeks Before Vote

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Post by vectorpush »

danenania wrote: post #116

Ok, so Hillary Clinton was and continues to be a corrupt, deceitful, and self-interested operator. She's doubtlessly done all kinds of both borderline and outright illegal things throughout her career. No big surprise here. If elected, she will continue to work the highly imperfect system we've got in lots of shady and questionable ways. But please, let's get real. For all her numerous faults, her opponent represents…

I agree with you, but I think she needs to be indicted if the e-mails prove her to be culpable. Ideally she will win the election, and if the e-mails prove damning she will be indicted and hopefully impeached and forced to resign, leaving Tim Kaine to finish off her term, which IMO would be the best case scenario for the country.

Re: FBI Reopens Clinton E-Mail Probe Less Than Two Weeks Before Vote

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Post by admyral »

patrickmay wrote: post #31
woodruffw wrote: post #29

I find Comey's decision to disclose this new investigation less than 2 weeks from election day extremely perplexing. By all means, perform your investigation, but to announce it immediately before what's arguably one of the most important elections in modern US history? If I were a paranoid man, I'd say that this looks like an attempt by an unelected official to prejudice voters.

He's damned if he does and damned if he doesn't. If there is a smoking gun in the newly discovered emails and he said nothing until after the election, he would be accused of manipulating it in that way.

The question is whether he was obliged to inform the congressional committee they were reopening the case. I would think they'd FIRST do a preliminary investigation to determine if the evidence warranted further investigation (ie. if it would change FBI's position on the DOJ charging Clinton). But I guess as informed voters, it's better to have more information than less, however untimely it is for Hillary.

Re: FBI Reopens Clinton E-Mail Probe Less Than Two Weeks Before Vote

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Post by return0 »

thecrow1213 wrote: post #90

Oh my god everyone here is splitting hairs like the rest of the goddamn internet. The FBI is looking at more Clinton emails. That sounds shady and bad for Clinton no matter how you swing it.

I believe she herself knows how bad it is because she's avoiding to immediately address the issue, while speaking publicly an hour later.

Re: FBI Reopens Clinton E-Mail Probe Less Than Two Weeks Before Vote

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Post by swissoak »

pjc50 wrote: post #140
insickness wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> average voters either don't care What were you saying about 'wishful thinking?' A presidential candidate under FBI investigation on election day is huge.

Both the candidates are under investigation. http://www.snopes.com/2016/06/23/donald-trump-rape-lawsuit/ I'm inclined to agree that it's not going to make much difference; how people vote is more determined by their social group loyalties, especially when things are as fraught as they are already.

One is under criminal investigation by the FBI for actions that are blatantly illegal and we have concrete evidence of occurring. She got off the first time without charges due to a bullshit reason from the FBI ("no reasonable prosecutor would take this up").

One has received a civil lawsuit which means absolutely nothing and is based entirely on he-said-she-said allegations. There is no investigation. I could go file a lawsuit today against you for sexual harassment. It means literally nothing other than I paid an attorney money to go file a piece of paper.

Re: FBI Reopens Clinton E-Mail Probe Less Than Two Weeks Before Vote

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Post by yolesaber »

maxerickson wrote: post #113
yolesaber wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"we need to clean this up" ~ Podesta https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/31077

Political people say "clean this up" about anything they don't want in the media. Anything. Everything. (I know this because I over consume political news media and they have adopted it as a term; it's really horrifying, they talk about the campaigns attempting to manipulate them instead of doing real analysis)

I work in public policy. You realize what they said they had to clean up right? The president lied on television about his knowledge of the servers.

Re: FBI Reopens Clinton E-Mail Probe Less Than Two Weeks Before Vote

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Post by CaptSpify »

dmode wrote: post #124
skeptic2718 wrote: post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Does it matter if it had classified information or not when a high ranking state official is using a personal private email server to bypass the official one?

Using a private email server was the norm at state department. Collin Powell used a private server and explained the benefits of it to Hillary Clinton. The only reason this bubbled up top was due to the Bengazhi situation. Otherwise, there would not even be an investigation on this.

IMO just because it was the norm does not mean it's acceptable

Re: FBI Reopens Clinton E-Mail Probe Less Than Two Weeks Before Vote

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Post by arzt »

swissoak wrote: post #130
downandout wrote: post #126

Unless an indictment comes down before Election Day, I think it's probably too late for this to have any material impact. Most likely Clinton voters aren't actually Clinton voters - they are anti-Trump voters. An indictment prior to the election would change things, but that will not happen. Clinton has almost no chance of losing. Once she wins, she will then either short circuit the investigation by forcing Comey an…

I think the more likely situation is that Obama pardons her some time after election day.

Is their a historical precedent for something like this? (ie sitting president pardons incoming president?)

Re: FBI Reopens Clinton E-Mail Probe Less Than Two Weeks Before Vote

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Post by swissoak »

jsprogrammer wrote: post #39
hackuser wrote: post #28

To say the obvious: There is great risk of the FBI and/or Comey trying to influence the outcome of the election. Earlier, when Comey said Clinton had been "extremely careless", it seemed to overstep his bounds: He played judge and jury, and convicted her without trial. To do this two weeks before the election raises very serious questions about the U.S.'s most fundamental institutions, rule of law, and democracy. Eve…

I don't think you watched Comey's presentation. He said that Clinton should not be prosecuted (ie. no conviction).

He said he doesn't recommend prosecution because he didn't believe there was a reasonable prosecutor that would do it. It's a huge load of horse shit. Hillary got off because she's well connected, not because there wasn't a case.

Re: FBI Reopens Clinton E-Mail Probe Less Than Two Weeks Before Vote

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Post by downandout »

danenania wrote: post #116

Ok, so Hillary Clinton was and continues to be a corrupt, deceitful, and self-interested operator. She's doubtlessly done all kinds of both borderline and outright illegal things throughout her career. No big surprise here. If elected, she will continue to work the highly imperfect system we've got in lots of shady and questionable ways. But please, let's get real. For all her numerous faults, her opponent represents…

>Honestly, I hate to say this, but we are past the point of laws here

In one breath, you express concern about the end of democracy, and in the next you disregard one of the vanguards of American government as if it's nothing. If we are indeed "past the point of laws here," then democracy has already ended.

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Post by pfraze »

swissoak wrote: post #147
danenania wrote: post #116

Ok, so Hillary Clinton was and continues to be a corrupt, deceitful, and self-interested operator. She's doubtlessly done all kinds of both borderline and outright illegal things throughout her career. No big surprise here. If elected, she will continue to work the highly imperfect system we've got in lots of shady and questionable ways. But please, let's get real. For all her numerous faults, her opponent represents…

>her opponent represents the very real specter of the end of democracy and the closing of our free society Let me get this straight. Hillary intentionally subverted the democratic process by having the DNC work against Sanders. We have concrete evidence of her working with one of her PACs, which again is highly illegal and subverting our democratic process. She has shady and inappropriate meetings with people respons…

Oh, stop. I don't like Hillary, but Trump says he'll contest a loss. That's what actual subversion of the process looks like. Everything you're bringing up is politics.

> Hillary intentionally subverted the democratic process by having the DNC work against Sanders.

Getting elected is a process of building key supporters, including within your own party.

> We have concrete evidence of her working with one of her PACs

All candidates do, and use some level of indirection to stay within the regulation. The regulation is toothless for campaign finance reform, so why get worked up about it.

> She has Obama, using tax payer money, campaigning for her

Outgoing presidents always campaign on behalf of their party's nominee.

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