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George Hotz cancels his Tesla Autopilot-like ‘comma one’

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Re: George Hotz cancels his Tesla Autopilot-like ‘comma one’

#101
I'm just amazed at what a bad name that is. "Comma One"... Did they never think that it would be called the The Coma One after even the slightest inevitable incident? Or that a segment of people will be innocently misspelling it as "Coma" everywhere? and how quickly it could catch on?

It's so obvious it seems almost Freudian ...

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#102

He's currently throwing a temper tantrum on Twitter, and all because the NHTSA wanted to ask him a few questions about the product (you can see it here: https://www.scribd.com/document/329218929/2016-10-27-Special... ). Like, how dare the government try to have basic standards for multi-ton hunks of metal hurtling down the highway without human input. I've been trying to convince people lately that Silicon Valley isn…

Exactly. The NHTSA memo seems extremely reasonable to me. If you're going to put to market a product where the smallest malfunction could easily kill many people (both those using your product and those around them), answering a couple regulation questions seems like a small hurdle to pass. Nothing here is saying "we want to shut you down", it's saying "we want to make sure you pass the most basic safety standards". That's an obvious part of a government's duty to keep it's citizens safe.

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#103
I'm seeing a huge number of assumptions and assertions, but this is still "developing news". I think it's equally likely that this device will be brought to market at a later point when the start-up gathers the resources, test results, and the lawyers that can handle the regulators.

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#104
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Here's what the Special Order demanded: 1. Describe in detail how the comma one is installed in a vehicle and provide a copy of installation instructions for the comma one. 2. Describe in detail the advanced driver assistance features of the comma one, including how those features differ from the existing features of the vehicles in which the comma one is intended to be installed. 3. Describe in detail how a vehicle…

That's an incredibly reasonable list and something anybody active in the self driving car space should be more than happy to answer in the required detail.

After working for half a decade with RFPs and SMEs, I'd like to politely clue you in that "knowing the answers" and "putting the answers to paper in a reasonable time" are two completely different monsters. I was paid a reasonable salary to deal with the gap between the two. It is one your comment so severely underestimates it's borderline farce. Sorry.

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#105
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Classic government. Self-driving technology should benchmarked against how good people are at driving (and how often they kill and injure people), as opposed to being proven intrinsically safe like a car part.

I mean, they apparently have a clause trying to entirely deny liability. That's not really a reasonable spot.

Can you show me if Tesla's is fundamentally different? I'm sincerely curious.

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#107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think this can be fixed. Silicon Valley thinks its the solution, when its more the problem. You can't drastically disrupt major pieces of the economy, expect to keep large swaths of the pie for yourself, and having no safety net, those who used to have jobs end up disenfranchised and permanently economically disadvantaged.

It's the exact same thing as the banking crisis, only with a bit of a techno sauce. See, if it works then they'll make bank, if it doesn't society will pick up the cost. It's a bet without much of a downside.

Privatize the profits, socialize the failures.

Re: George Hotz cancels his Tesla Autopilot-like ‘comma one’

#108

Wow. If he really moves his project to China to take advantage of a lax regulatory environment even though he couldn't pass the scrutiny in the US, he's being very immoral and cavalier about people's lives in China. I don't understand how a startup like Cruise can get past this regulatory hurlde in the US but Hotz can't.

Tell that to the millions of people who have already died because self driving car technology isn't here yet, because the government is stopping it.

I actually think that the government has been surprisingly open and helpful for self driving technology (and I'm a Libertarian so I don't say that lightly).

The media on the other hand... I am sure filling the 24x7 news cycle up every time one of these cars gets in an accident and never covering the advancements has a chilling effect.

Re: George Hotz cancels his Tesla Autopilot-like ‘comma one’

#109

Nobody who is familiar with George is surprised by this. It's unfortunate that his ego has a scapegoat, however. I guess this time he couldn't find anyone on IRC to finish the hard parts for him and let him take the credit.

> I guess this time he couldn't find anyone on IRC to finish the hard parts for him and let him take the credit.

I feel like there is some backstory here I've never heard.

Re: George Hotz cancels his Tesla Autopilot-like ‘comma one’

#110

Wow. If he really moves his project to China to take advantage of a lax regulatory environment even though he couldn't pass the scrutiny in the US, he's being very immoral and cavalier about people's lives in China. I don't understand how a startup like Cruise can get past this regulatory hurlde in the US but Hotz can't.

I am no expert in Chinese transportation laws and regulations. But I wouldn't say it's a lax environment there - it's more ad hoc to be more accurate as I've seen regulation coming out from time to time in response to events.

On the other hand, Shenzhen is the world capital of electronic / hardware components sourcing, manufacturing & production. Geohot's trip to Shenzhen may or maynot be an indication of his intention of releasing comma one in China but rather an expected visit to check up his product manufacturing.

Also, perhaps Cruise have already been dealing with government agencies and perhaps in compliance of regulatory requirements so that we don't hear about same trouble for Cruise.

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