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George Hotz cancels his Tesla Autopilot-like ‘comma one’

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Re: George Hotz cancels his Tesla Autopilot-like ‘comma one’

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Post by pnathan »

probdist wrote: post #47
tptacek wrote: post #29

Here's what the Special Order demanded: 1. Describe in detail how the comma one is installed in a vehicle and provide a copy of installation instructions for the comma one. 2. Describe in detail the advanced driver assistance features of the comma one, including how those features differ from the existing features of the vehicles in which the comma one is intended to be installed. 3. Describe in detail how a vehicle…

They could have asked for George's middle name and the cost of compliance would be burdensome. It is not the rap but the ride that you can't beat.

> It is not the rap but the ride that you can't beat.

I think that's the reason he's bailing - he doesn't have the lawyer crew, he doesn't want to play the law game - he just wants to create things.

Re: George Hotz cancels his Tesla Autopilot-like ‘comma one’

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Post by jacquesm »

tptacek wrote: post #29

Here's what the Special Order demanded: 1. Describe in detail how the comma one is installed in a vehicle and provide a copy of installation instructions for the comma one. 2. Describe in detail the advanced driver assistance features of the comma one, including how those features differ from the existing features of the vehicles in which the comma one is intended to be installed. 3. Describe in detail how a vehicle…

That's an incredibly reasonable list and something anybody active in the self driving car space should be more than happy to answer in the required detail.

Re: George Hotz cancels his Tesla Autopilot-like ‘comma one’

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Post by jacquesm »

pnathan wrote: post #71
probdist wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They could have asked for George's middle name and the cost of compliance would be burdensome. It is not the rap but the ride that you can't beat.

> It is not the rap but the ride that you can't beat. I think that's the reason he's bailing - he doesn't have the lawyer crew, he doesn't want to play the law game - he just wants to create things.

Creating things that sit on the shelf unused?

Re: George Hotz cancels his Tesla Autopilot-like ‘comma one’

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Post by jacquesm »

gallerytungsten wrote: post #23

It appears Hotz will now deploy his system in China, where the regulations on such devices are surely more lax. Looks like a good move for extended testing without pesky government scrutiny.

If it doesn't work the US might be a better place to mess up than China.

Re: George Hotz cancels his Tesla Autopilot-like ‘comma one’

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Post by nom »

singularity2001 wrote: post #48
mikeash wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The letter they received from the NHTSA is available here: https://electrek.co/2016/10/28/george-hotz-cancels-his-tesla... It looks to me to be fairly mild and entirely reasonable. To immediately respond to this letter with "fuck it, we're not going to make this product anymore" is bizarre, and not the government's fault.

You call an out of the blue threat of $21,000 per day (!) 'fairly mild'?

He was probably expecting a letter from the start and knew that time is limited. geohot may not care about laws and ethics, but there is no way he doesn't know about all the possible consequences he may face in a project like comma.ai. He works on something until either the pressure is no longer justifiable or he succeeds (like unlocking the iPhone). Working in this manner gives him a great advantage.

I also think it's likely that he never actually intended it to become a real product and it's all about the journey and experience.

Re: George Hotz cancels his Tesla Autopilot-like ‘comma one’

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Post by jacquesm »

pdog wrote: post #69
Analemma_ wrote: post #16

He's currently throwing a temper tantrum on Twitter, and all because the NHTSA wanted to ask him a few questions about the product (you can see it here: https://www.scribd.com/document/329218929/2016-10-27-Special... ). Like, how dare the government try to have basic standards for multi-ton hunks of metal hurtling down the highway without human input. I've been trying to convince people lately that Silicon Valley isn…

I can't believe the nerve of some of these Silicon Valley randroids. If they're so great, why do they think a little bit of regulation is going to kill them?

At a guess the list of questions showed Hotz just how far away he really was from having a shippable product and since the 'fun' bit was over it caused him to throw in the towel. Prototyping stuff and proof of concepts are fun, productizing much less so. Moving to China will not really change that.

Re: George Hotz cancels his Tesla Autopilot-like ‘comma one’

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Post by DasIch »

tptacek wrote: post #29

Here's what the Special Order demanded: 1. Describe in detail how the comma one is installed in a vehicle and provide a copy of installation instructions for the comma one. 2. Describe in detail the advanced driver assistance features of the comma one, including how those features differ from the existing features of the vehicles in which the comma one is intended to be installed. 3. Describe in detail how a vehicle…

1-4 is simply providing them with a copy of the instructions. 5, 6, 8 and 9 are incredibly obvious questions that should have been answered during the development. 7 is surely something you know just from the business end of things.

I have no idea what FMVSS is but that there are regulations here should be obvious, no doubt this would be something you'd become aware of after a little bit of research. As a consequence you should have an answer to that. This covers 10-12.

13 and 14 he should have known at the top of his head. 15 it seems you could just say you've nothing to add or drop whatever else you have on hand.

Nothing about this strikes me as unusual, unexpected or hard to answer. There is no way this is the reason Holtz gave up unless the product is a complete failure, he hasn't run any safety tests whatsoever or he's using this as an excuse to cover up something else.

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Post by ceterum_censeo »

DasIch wrote: post #77
tptacek wrote: post #29

Here's what the Special Order demanded: 1. Describe in detail how the comma one is installed in a vehicle and provide a copy of installation instructions for the comma one. 2. Describe in detail the advanced driver assistance features of the comma one, including how those features differ from the existing features of the vehicles in which the comma one is intended to be installed. 3. Describe in detail how a vehicle…

1-4 is simply providing them with a copy of the instructions. 5, 6, 8 and 9 are incredibly obvious questions that should have been answered during the development. 7 is surely something you know just from the business end of things. I have no idea what FMVSS is but that there are regulations here should be obvious, no doubt this would be something you'd become aware of after a little bit of research. As a consequence…

Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standards

Re: George Hotz cancels his Tesla Autopilot-like ‘comma one’

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Post by DasIch »

ceterum_censeo wrote: post #79
DasIch wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

1-4 is simply providing them with a copy of the instructions. 5, 6, 8 and 9 are incredibly obvious questions that should have been answered during the development. 7 is surely something you know just from the business end of things. I have no idea what FMVSS is but that there are regulations here should be obvious, no doubt this would be something you'd become aware of after a little bit of research. As a consequence…

Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standards

Oh, well that sounds like you'd know about it, if you live in the US. Should make it easier to answer all of this still.
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