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George Hotz cancels his Tesla Autopilot-like ‘comma one’

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Re: George Hotz cancels his Tesla Autopilot-like ‘comma one’

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Post by Analemma_ »

j2bax wrote: post #28
Analemma_ wrote: post #16

He's currently throwing a temper tantrum on Twitter, and all because the NHTSA wanted to ask him a few questions about the product (you can see it here: https://www.scribd.com/document/329218929/2016-10-27-Special... ). Like, how dare the government try to have basic standards for multi-ton hunks of metal hurtling down the highway without human input. I've been trying to convince people lately that Silicon Valley isn…

Come on... Hotz doesn't really represent anyone but George Hotz. He is a very unique individual that was blessed with a very mathematical mind but very little social grace.

Sure, but every individual is part of a pattern, and our outgroup is becoming more convinced that there's one pattern in particular at play here.

Take a look at the front page of Hacker News right now: in addition to this story, there's "Soylent halts sales of its powder as customers keep getting sick" and "Uber drivers win employee rights case" (presumably over Uber's fierce opposition). With 30 items on the front page, that means we've got 10% of the news in our field which could plausibly be parsed by outsiders as "technolibertarian assholes". I've been watching public opinion of the Bay Area startup scene gradually eroding in the last half-decade or so, and this is a big part of the reason; it's a real problem that we need to start thinking about.

Re: George Hotz cancels his Tesla Autopilot-like ‘comma one’

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Post by raverbashing »

hangonhn wrote: post #25

Wow. If he really moves his project to China to take advantage of a lax regulatory environment even though he couldn't pass the scrutiny in the US, he's being very immoral and cavalier about people's lives in China. I don't understand how a startup like Cruise can get past this regulatory hurlde in the US but Hotz can't.

It will be fun when he realizes the lack of road markings and overall road quality/traffic mess in China makes it much harder than driving in your avg. US road (especially in California)

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Post by gaze »

j2bax wrote: post #28
Analemma_ wrote: post #16

He's currently throwing a temper tantrum on Twitter, and all because the NHTSA wanted to ask him a few questions about the product (you can see it here: https://www.scribd.com/document/329218929/2016-10-27-Special... ). Like, how dare the government try to have basic standards for multi-ton hunks of metal hurtling down the highway without human input. I've been trying to convince people lately that Silicon Valley isn…

Come on... Hotz doesn't really represent anyone but George Hotz. He is a very unique individual that was blessed with a very mathematical mind but very little social grace.

He's a good hacker but he's not particularly mathematical...

Re: George Hotz cancels his Tesla Autopilot-like ‘comma one’

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Post by daveloyall »

The commenters on that twitter thread are critical of geohot for "rolling over easily".

I don't think we should presume that the guy who defied Sony, AT&T, Apple, and the DCMA is doing any such thing.

Maybe he discovered a flaw in the design of comma AI or something.

Re: George Hotz cancels his Tesla Autopilot-like ‘comma one’

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Post by mikeash »

wyldfire wrote: post #13

Wow, sometimes I wish HN came with a "context, please" button. ;) It's a self driving car (or rather a prototype of an "autopilot" feature like Tesla's), AFAICT. From [1]: > After a couple miles, Hotz lets go of the wheel and pulls the trigger... Hotz shouts, “You got this, car! You got this!” > The car does, more or less, have it. ... Amazed, I ask Hotz what it felt like the first time he got the car to work. > “Dud…

It does have such a button! It's the comments button. Of course, it relies on enterprising users such as yourself to make it happen. You have created what you wished for!

And just to confirm, your summary is correct. It's not self-driving, but it is lane keeping and intelligent cruise control adequate for fully automatic highway driving in normal circumstances, like Tesla's current Autopilot is. It was to be an aftermarket accessory that could be installed by the buyer, presumably hooking into the OBD2 port and controlling existing servos. The initial release was to focus on a small number of Honda and Acura models which already have lane assist and cruise control features, but not as sophisticated, so it was able to take advantage of that existing hardware and extend its functionality.

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Post by toomuchtodo »

Analemma_ wrote: post #31
j2bax wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Come on... Hotz doesn't really represent anyone but George Hotz. He is a very unique individual that was blessed with a very mathematical mind but very little social grace.

Sure, but every individual is part of a pattern, and our outgroup is becoming more convinced that there's one pattern in particular at play here. Take a look at the front page of Hacker News right now : in addition to this story, there's "Soylent halts sales of its powder as customers keep getting sick" and "Uber drivers win employee rights case" (presumably over Uber's fierce opposition). With 30 items on the front…

I don't think this can be fixed. Silicon Valley thinks its the solution, when its more the problem. You can't drastically disrupt major pieces of the economy, expect to keep large swaths of the pie for yourself, and having no safety net, those who used to have jobs end up disenfranchised and permanently economically disadvantaged.

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Post by Phil_Latio »

Analemma_ wrote: post #16

He's currently throwing a temper tantrum on Twitter, and all because the NHTSA wanted to ask him a few questions about the product (you can see it here: https://www.scribd.com/document/329218929/2016-10-27-Special... ). Like, how dare the government try to have basic standards for multi-ton hunks of metal hurtling down the highway without human input. I've been trying to convince people lately that Silicon Valley isn…

Why does he have to answer that. It's just research for now?

Re: George Hotz cancels his Tesla Autopilot-like ‘comma one’

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Post by mikeash »

nibs wrote: post #5

Classic government. Self-driving technology should benchmarked against how good people are at driving (and how often they kill and injure people), as opposed to being proven intrinsically safe like a car part.

The letter they received from the NHTSA is available here:

https://electrek.co/2016/10/28/george-hotz-cancels-his-tesla...

It looks to me to be fairly mild and entirely reasonable. To immediately respond to this letter with "fuck it, we're not going to make this product anymore" is bizarre, and not the government's fault.

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Post by tptacek »

Phil_Latio wrote: post #38
Analemma_ wrote: post #16

He's currently throwing a temper tantrum on Twitter, and all because the NHTSA wanted to ask him a few questions about the product (you can see it here: https://www.scribd.com/document/329218929/2016-10-27-Special... ). Like, how dare the government try to have basic standards for multi-ton hunks of metal hurtling down the highway without human input. I've been trying to convince people lately that Silicon Valley isn…

Why does he have to answer that. It's just research for now?

Wasn't he just soliciting beta testers on Twitter? That doesn't sound like "research".
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