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George Hotz cancels his Tesla Autopilot-like ‘comma one’

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What is the role of the national highway transportation safety administration wrt driver less card and trucks?

Can they issue rules? Can they prevent deployment? Is it for cars and trucks? Once driverless exists will there have to be a differentiator for auto/truck?

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Wow, sometimes I wish HN came with a "context, please" button. ;)

It's a self driving car (or rather a prototype of an "autopilot" feature like Tesla's), AFAICT.

From [1]:

> After a couple miles, Hotz lets go of the wheel and pulls the trigger... Hotz shouts, “You got this, car! You got this!”

> The car does, more or less, have it. ... Amazed, I ask Hotz what it felt like the first time he got the car to work.

> “Dude,” he says, “the first time it worked was this morning.”

[1] http://www.bloomberg.com/features/2015-george-hotz-self-driv...

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Classic government. Self-driving technology should benchmarked against how good people are at driving (and how often they kill and injure people), as opposed to being proven intrinsically safe like a car part.

The reason for the disparity here is because, while you're right that humans are not particularly good drivers, there is a massive institutional infrastructure built up around things like criminal prosecution and insurance for when a human messes up. We know[0] how to deal with (accidental or deliberate) 'bad' people. We haven't quite figured out how to do that with intelligent systems that blur the line between automatic and intentional.

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[0] Of course, there is much valid debate as to whether we really -know- how to do this either. But legacy and history carry weight, unfortunately, either way

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a little more detail from techcrunch: https://techcrunch.com/2016/10/28/comma-ai-cancels-the-comma... It seems that Hotz said, “dealing with regulators and lawyers… isn’t worth it.” Which seems very unfortunate/shortsighted due to how useful this tech could be. Why not hire someone to deal with them for you?

That may be just a fig-leaf to plaster over 'we couldn't do it'. It's one thing to release software, it's quite another thing to release this software and have it tested, audited and certified safe and that's definitely part of the process of delivering software that is critical to the well being of the users and the other people you're sharing the road with. And that second part is part-and-parcel of wanting to oper…

I agree. Prototypes are easy, production level products/systems are hard and take time and money. There is also another angle of just hoping to sell the prototype and "team" and let someone else do the hard work of making it real.

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He's currently throwing a temper tantrum on Twitter, and all because the NHTSA wanted to ask him a few questions about the product (you can see it here: https://www.scribd.com/document/329218929/2016-10-27-Special...). Like, how dare the government try to have basic standards for multi-ton hunks of metal hurtling down the highway without human input.

I've been trying to convince people lately that Silicon Valley isn't all delusional technolibertarian assholes, but guys like this sure aren't making my case easy.

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What is the role of the national highway transportation safety administration wrt driver less card and trucks? Can they issue rules? Can they prevent deployment? Is it for cars and trucks? Once driverless exists will there have to be a differentiator for auto/truck?

> Can they issue rules? Can they prevent deployment? Is it for cars and trucks?

Yes. They are a federal regulatory agency.

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Haven't we heard this story countless times from projects on sites like Kickstarter before? There is a huge difference between tinkering in your garage and creating a production product.

Whether it's something that falls under government regulations like Hotz's project, or transitioning from a couple of 3D-printed models in your basement to an injection molded factory, making things (at scale and in the real world) is hard.

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The dude is brilliant no doubt... But this space requires brilliance and a lot of spine. That is what makes someone like Musk so unique. Someone thats willing to risk it all, and won't let doors closing in their face and public opinion hinder them. I hope Hotz can put his ego aside and go work with someone that can handle the bureaucracy and red tape. He is surely a prodigy and it would be a shame if the world can't benefit from his ideas.

Re: George Hotz cancels his Tesla Autopilot-like ‘comma one’

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I find it interesting that he was on This Week in Startups only a few weeks ago calling every company he found unconvincing "losers" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2zy_07g2IrM

Maybe they're all losers and you're a winner, but perhaps being an elite hax0r isn't all that's needed to go to market...

If you can't reply to a regulator letter, how are you going to deal with supply chain or cash flow issues? Bad reviews in the press or on Amazon? People who want refunds? Not to mention the literal horror of a car crash. To borrow a term injected into this election season, you gotta have Stamina.

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