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Anti-Aging Startup Raises $116M With Bezos Backing

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Post by TeMPOraL »

drcross wrote: post #213
trhway wrote: post #116

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>but probably not much longer than 125. enter new organs growth. Any organ, except for the brain, could be replaced by a new one, and thus there is no limit. Brain probably too can be updated in some ways, we just don't know how yet.

As a layman it seems far easier to repair existing damage using nanomachine than to replace organs.

Not really. We have organ-growing capability, we don't have organ repair capability. It's easier to repurpose the former than invent the latter.

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Post by cko »

pointytrees wrote: post #65
a13n wrote: post #56

I'm not a billionaire and I'm not old, but I am so excited about anti-aging. I know Hacker News is super negative, but who doesn't want to live longer?! Of all the pain points humans experience, you'd think death lies pretty high on the list. Why are people fighting this?

I sometimes talk about wanting to live forever and get weird stares. Are you joking me?? I want to hike every trail in the world. I want to climb every mountain. I want to play every video game. I want to beat the hardest raids in every expansion of WoW. I want to learn multiple langauges. I want to spend several years living in every biome. I want to learn all of the programming languages. I want to go back to schoo…

But don't you ever get weary? Like "oh, this again. I've seen this before, in a slightly different form. This too shall pass."

I've felt this way since I was 20, and I haven't seen much.

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Post by JoeAltmaier »

Disruptive_Dave wrote: post #118
JoeAltmaier wrote: post #110

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So you plan to end it all tonight? No? I think, like everyone else, you expect a reasonable lifespan and would fight to achieve that. From there, its just a matter of how much is enough.

I actually don't expect anything. I get what I get, that's all. Expectation is a problem, generally speaking. Actively killing myself is quite different from un-attaching myself to the concept of an expected X number of years on this earth.

Well, to belabor the point, not walking out into traffic without looking is evidence of self-preserving instincts. Again from there its a matter of degree.

Admittedly I am also of the school of 'be safe as long as it doesn't take too much mental stress'. I'll live as long as I live, given flu shots and careful driving. But I'm not going to obsess about it either.

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Post by pointytrees »

cko wrote: post #232
pointytrees wrote: post #65

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I sometimes talk about wanting to live forever and get weird stares. Are you joking me?? I want to hike every trail in the world. I want to climb every mountain. I want to play every video game. I want to beat the hardest raids in every expansion of WoW. I want to learn multiple langauges. I want to spend several years living in every biome. I want to learn all of the programming languages. I want to go back to schoo…

But don't you ever get weary? Like "oh, this again. I've seen this before, in a slightly different form. This too shall pass." I've felt this way since I was 20, and I haven't seen much.

I'm in my mid 30's. There are a few hikes that I do repeatedly. One to a peak, one to a riverbed. I've done them dozens of time. Sitting by the rushing water, no cars, no people, no industrial sounds, trees everywhere. Rejuvenates me every time.

Yea, there are typically trees, bushes, rocks and dirt on every trail. But, they're different. Even the same trail changes over time. Trees fall, views change. Sometimes you see a deer. Sometimes you find a crazy looking flower, or bug, or plant. Sometimes it's just exhilarating to hike quickly and elevate your heartrate in the crisp cold mountain air.

I know what you're saying though. I have been on a trail, where it was the first time on that trail, and I though, geez, same ol' same ol'. But, I quickly forgot that a few minutes later as I left the highway, and got deeper in the wilderness.

I love it. As I mentioned earlier, I work a full time. Sitting at a desk. So, these times on the trail are so refreshing.

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Post by dkarapetyan »

jnicholasp wrote: post #167
dkarapetyan wrote: post #143

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Those were lives well lived and a lot of the meaning and wisdom now derived from their lives is because they are gone. Same can not be said for the multitude that just wants more time.

All of the meaning and wisdom derived from their lives was because they were alive. Now they aren't, and we don't get any more of their particular genius, and that is a damned shame. It's also a damned shame that my grandfather, who is precisely nobody on the world stage, but still somebody, and currently in the hospital and I might get a text any minute saying he's dead, is on the brink of exiting the world, joining…

Reflection requires pause. It would not be the same if all those people were contemporaries of current modern scientists. In fact I have no clue how much value current scientists are adding or not adding or whether Feynman and friends would still be contributing in any way as you are assuming. The geniuses will appear after some reflection in a hundred years or so. Long after they're all gone.

I'm sorry for your eventual loss but immortality does not appeal to me the way I guess it appeals to others. Cycles in nature don't seem like a disease to me that need curing. Alleviating the pain and suffering of aging is fine and that's what these guys seem to be doing.

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Post by neom »

misiti3780 wrote: post #131
neom wrote: post #77

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What's the book? Would like to read it. Thanks.

it is talked about a bit in The Vital Question [1] and a more in depth in Power, Sex, and Suicide [2] His books are honestly life changing, i can recommend them or him enough. [1] https://www.amazon.com/Vital-Question-Evolution-Origins-Comp... [2] https://www.amazon.com/Power-Sex-Suicide-Mitochondria-Meanin...

Thank you.

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Post by neom »

JohnDotAwesome wrote: post #130
neom wrote: post #77

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What's the book? Would like to read it. Thanks.

The Vital Question. As a layman -- and an audio book listener -- this wasn't an easy book to get through! Still, it caused me to sit and think a little, and that was the whole point.

Thank you. (audiobook listener also)

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Post by Practicality »

yazaddaruvala wrote: post #50
Practicality wrote: post #9

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I am pretty sure the way it works is that everyone will get the immortality when it is available, but the poor folks get 1,000 years of debt.

In all seriousness, the price for eternal youth will be the cost of production and shipping. If it turns out to be a compound for eternal youth, then it can be reverse engineered by labs in China or India (or anywhere). There is no sufficient patent, IP law, moral high ground about R&D expenses. The world will be supplied at the cost of production and shipping.

I am supposing that it will be incredibly expensive, something like $1 trillion/person or something along those lines.

Hence, the 1,000 years of debt.

A lot of people will take the deal anyway.

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Post by Practicality »

xkcd-sucks wrote: post #44
Practicality wrote: post #9

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I am pretty sure the way it works is that everyone will get the immortality when it is available, but the poor folks get 1,000 years of debt.

Only if people respect IP law. Normal small-molecule drugs are trivial to reverse-engineer, biologics are trickier but the means of manufacturing them is self-replicating, and Shenzhen is good at reverse-engineering other technologies if we're to believe what we read in the media

I highly doubt the process will be a single drug. I can't imagine any way any compound could remove DNA damage[1] for all cells in your body. Of course, if it did that would be great.

Most likely treatment would be some sort of specialized therapy where your DNA is painstakingly copied (with some process that is somehow better than the biological one) and then all the cells in your body are periodically repaired.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DNA_damage_theory_of_aging

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Post by Pica_soO »

I actually found the martian anti-age drug from Spin very well designed. If you would take it, you would be sterile afterwards and it would reduce your ability to aggressively compete with other society members, thus allowing for a longer live, while making room for others.
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