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FCC Vote Means Internet Providers Need Permission to Share Your Data

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Re: FCC Vote Means Internet Providers Need Permission to Share Your Data

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Post by twblalock »

devindotcom wrote: post #36

Interestingly there seems to be a loophole in that they can collect the data regardless of consent, but can't use or share it without consent. So chances are this sensitive data will be recorded and put in a database anyway, even if they're not lawfully allowed to look at it without anonymizing first - but a future law could also add an exception, keeping things for law enforcement for instance. I'm triple checking w…

> Interestingly there seems to be a loophole in that they can collect the data regardless of consent, but can't use or share it without consent. So chances are this sensitive data will be recorded and put in a database anyway, even if they're not lawfully allowed to look at it without anonymizing first - but a future law could also add an exception, keeping things for law enforcement for instance.

I'm not all that worried about law enforcement. I think it is much more likely that the database will be hacked and the data will just get shared that way.

The only way to protect private data is to prevent the ISPs from collecting it in the first place. Otherwise, everyone knows the ISP has the data whether they share it or not, it's a big juicy target, and it's probably not that difficult to get to.

Re: FCC Vote Means Internet Providers Need Permission to Share Your Data

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Post by Drakim »

twblalock wrote: post #91
devindotcom wrote: post #36

Interestingly there seems to be a loophole in that they can collect the data regardless of consent, but can't use or share it without consent. So chances are this sensitive data will be recorded and put in a database anyway, even if they're not lawfully allowed to look at it without anonymizing first - but a future law could also add an exception, keeping things for law enforcement for instance. I'm triple checking w…

> Interestingly there seems to be a loophole in that they can collect the data regardless of consent, but can't use or share it without consent. So chances are this sensitive data will be recorded and put in a database anyway, even if they're not lawfully allowed to look at it without anonymizing first - but a future law could also add an exception, keeping things for law enforcement for instance. I'm not all that wo…

Or it will be sold without permission in secret, and when it comes to light, the ISP will get a slap on the wrist much smaller than what they gained from selling the data.

Re: FCC Vote Means Internet Providers Need Permission to Share Your Data

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Post by rmc »

ars wrote: post #8

This is completely pointless. They'll just add some form you have to sign before giving you service and that's about it. After all, do you read and act on the privacy notifications other providers give you? Does this at least require them to provider service irregardless of your consent to share data? If not, this is a pointless law that just makes it look like they did something.

> This is completely pointless. They'll just add some form you have to sign before giving you service and that's about it. > > After all, do you read and act on the privacy notifications other providers give you?

So that's an interesting thing that's come up in the European Union, where the "constitution"/"bill of rights"[1] mandates "consent" for processing of personal data, namely does one of those click though I Agree things count as "informed consent".

Let's be honest, vast majority of people aren't actually consenting to things that are in the contract.

[1] For political reasons there is no "European Union Constitution". However there is the "Charter of Fundamental Rights of the European Union" which is sorta a "Bill of rights"

Re: FCC Vote Means Internet Providers Need Permission to Share Your Data

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Post by teddythetwig »

rmc wrote: post #93
ars wrote: post #8

This is completely pointless. They'll just add some form you have to sign before giving you service and that's about it. After all, do you read and act on the privacy notifications other providers give you? Does this at least require them to provider service irregardless of your consent to share data? If not, this is a pointless law that just makes it look like they did something.

> This is completely pointless. They'll just add some form you have to sign before giving you service and that's about it. > > After all, do you read and act on the privacy notifications other providers give you? So that's an interesting thing that's come up in the European Union, where the "constitution"/"bill of rights"[1] mandates "consent" for processing of personal data, namely does one of those click though I A…

We are working on an Erasmus+ grant project with my company ProctorExam, and due to the nature of the project, we've also included a privacy lawyer and a representative from SURF(The Dutch institution that deals with all things education). From discussions that we had last week, an "I agree" button does NOT count as informed consent because they aren't actually presented with what they are consenting to.

Re: FCC Vote Means Internet Providers Need Permission to Share Your Data

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Post by reitanqild »

teddythetwig wrote: post #94
rmc wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> This is completely pointless. They'll just add some form you have to sign before giving you service and that's about it. > > After all, do you read and act on the privacy notifications other providers give you? So that's an interesting thing that's come up in the European Union, where the "constitution"/"bill of rights"[1] mandates "consent" for processing of personal data, namely does one of those click though I A…

We are working on an Erasmus+ grant project with my company ProctorExam, and due to the nature of the project, we've also included a privacy lawyer and a representative from SURF(The Dutch institution that deals with all things education). From discussions that we had last week, an "I agree" button does NOT count as informed consent because they aren't actually presented with what they are consenting to.

IANAL but I think there is also something about a reasonable chance to understand it, i.e. a wall of text + a Agree (to get anyway) shouldn't fly either.

Maybe someone who knows can confirm or deny this.

Also: personally I think current EULAs are stupid and "Contents hot" on coffee cups only exist because Americans like to sue each other.

I somewhat naively think that contracts between consumers and companies should be brought down to Creative Commons level.

Re: FCC Vote Means Internet Providers Need Permission to Share Your Data

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Post by dsr_ »

"Commissioner Ajit Pai, who voted no, cautioned that the "cold reality" is that nothing in the new rules will stop those companies from "harvesting and monetizing your data," including the websites visited, YouTube videos watched or search terms entered on any device."

Any reasonable person reading that would infer that Pai thinks that these rules are not sufficient and is in favor of stricter rules. That turns out not to be the case at all.

Re: FCC Vote Means Internet Providers Need Permission to Share Your Data

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Post by bitJericho »

Veratyr wrote: post #82
thaumasiotes wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A proxy between you and your ISP? How do you talk to the proxy?

The proxy is outside your ISP. The connection between you and your proxy is secure, so your ISP cannot gain anything useful from it.

It sounds complex but it can be had for around 5 dollars a month and a good setup guide if you don't know Linux well.

Re: FCC Vote Means Internet Providers Need Permission to Share Your Data

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Post by driverdan »

ars wrote: post #8

This is completely pointless. They'll just add some form you have to sign before giving you service and that's about it. After all, do you read and act on the privacy notifications other providers give you? Does this at least require them to provider service irregardless of your consent to share data? If not, this is a pointless law that just makes it look like they did something.

> After all, do you read and act on the privacy notifications other providers give you?

Yes. Never sign a contract without reading it.

Re: FCC Vote Means Internet Providers Need Permission to Share Your Data

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Post by shostack »

bitJericho wrote: post #97
Veratyr wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The proxy is outside your ISP. The connection between you and your proxy is secure, so your ISP cannot gain anything useful from it.

It sounds complex but it can be had for around 5 dollars a month and a good setup guide if you don't know Linux well.

Why do you need a good setup guide though? Is there no solution of similar efficacy that I can have my mom, who still uses AOL, install?
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