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Tomb venerated as burial place of Christ exposed for first time in centuries

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Re: Tomb venerated as burial place of Christ exposed for first time in centuries

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can you clarify? The article is pretty clear about it being the known tomb. They exposed the marble surface.

The article may be clear, but the title is not.

Haven't you guys been to Sunday School? [insert Indiana Jones meme here]

Re: Tomb venerated as burial place of Christ exposed for first time in centuries

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You must be really proud to support an occupying/terrorist/religious state!

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Personal attack plus inflammatory rhetoric is the sort of dynamite we need to avoid if we're to have civil, substantive discussion.

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Re: Tomb venerated as burial place of Christ exposed for first time in centuries

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I've been to the tomb, once, when I was 13 ish. I remember an Orthodox priest inside the chamber, who was taking donations in exchange for candlesticks and talismans etc. I also remember him telling my father to leave the money on the tomb, next to his goods. My father, who is no more a Christian than I am was absolutely disgusted at that.

Re: Tomb venerated as burial place of Christ exposed for first time in centuries

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post #13

You must be really proud to support an occupying/terrorist/religious state!

We've banned this account because comments like this aren't allowed on HN and people aren't allowed to create accounts just to post them. Personal attack plus inflammatory rhetoric is the sort of dynamite we need to avoid if we're to have civil, substantive discussion. We detached this comment from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12813739 and marked it off-topic.

@dang: Predictable reaction

This was not a personal attack in any way or form. It is a statement of the fact that supporting an apartheid state is not OK!

Re: Tomb venerated as burial place of Christ exposed for first time in centuries

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When I saw the title, I thought maybe they'd found actual evidence about where Jesus was buried. No, it's the traditional birthplace, identified as such in AD 329, apparently. Edit: find->found

Can you clarify? The article is pretty clear about it being the known tomb. They exposed the marble surface.

The point is that the title calls it Christ's burial place, but there's no evidence that it is that.

Re: Tomb venerated as burial place of Christ exposed for first time in centuries

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post #8

When I saw the title, I thought maybe they'd found actual evidence about where Jesus was buried. No, it's the traditional birthplace, identified as such in AD 329, apparently. Edit: find->found

Can you clarify? The article is pretty clear about it being the known tomb. They exposed the marble surface.

What is now known as the Church of the Holy Sepulchre was actually designated as such only in around 325/6. At the time there was a temple of Aphrodite on the site; Emperor Constantine ordered it replaced by a church, and when his mother Helena went to visit the site, she claimed to have discovered the True Cross and proclaimed it to be the spot of Jesus's burial. Aside from that rather questionable and politically/religiously convenient claim, there's no other evidence for the site having anything to do with the historical Jesus.

Re: Tomb venerated as burial place of Christ exposed for first time in centuries

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I had the privilege of visiting the Church of the Holy Sepulchre after attending an astronomy conference in Israel a year ago. My wife and I got there for a mass just a little before 6am so it wasn't very crowded. It was really an extraordinary experience. The Edicule had something of a steampunk feel to it, which I was not expecting. As the article mentions, it was built in the 1800s, but due to the Status Quo agree…

Spent the winter in Israel a couple of years ago. The old city in Jerusalem is awe inspiring. As for the Holy Sepulchre, as a non-Christian I found it pretty surreal. Clearly for the faithful it's a big deal, saw people outright crying coming out of the Sepulchre. The church itself is beautiful, powerful artwork from all of the sects (Ethiopian included). Particularly the fresco at the entrance, Christ being laid to…

> On leaving they followed me and one of them spit in my hair

Wtf?

Re: Tomb venerated as burial place of Christ exposed for first time in centuries

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I've been to the tomb, once, when I was 13 ish. I remember an Orthodox priest inside the chamber, who was taking donations in exchange for candlesticks and talismans etc. I also remember him telling my father to leave the money on the tomb, next to his goods. My father, who is no more a Christian than I am was absolutely disgusted at that.

Par for the course. Quote George Carlin:

'Religion has actually convinced people that there's an invisible ... all-perfect, all-knowing, and all-wise being that somehow just can't handle money!, Always needs a little more.'

Re: Tomb venerated as burial place of Christ exposed for first time in centuries

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I had the privilege of visiting the Church of the Holy Sepulchre after attending an astronomy conference in Israel a year ago. My wife and I got there for a mass just a little before 6am so it wasn't very crowded. It was really an extraordinary experience. The Edicule had something of a steampunk feel to it, which I was not expecting. As the article mentions, it was built in the 1800s, but due to the Status Quo agree…

Spent the winter in Israel a couple of years ago. The old city in Jerusalem is awe inspiring. As for the Holy Sepulchre, as a non-Christian I found it pretty surreal. Clearly for the faithful it's a big deal, saw people outright crying coming out of the Sepulchre. The church itself is beautiful, powerful artwork from all of the sects (Ethiopian included). Particularly the fresco at the entrance, Christ being laid to…

> saw people outright crying coming out of the Sepulchre

This sort of reaction is deeply troubling to me because I see it as evidence of the overwhelming grip that religions have on (some of) their followers. It reminds me of videos of teenagers crying at the sight of Michael Jackson or the Beatles at live performances. It is unnecessary.

My mother, for example, is unable to laugh at even the most trivial of jokes about her religion, things that aren't even attacking her religion but simply having fun with a play on words. I am constantly seeking to remind her that it is a lack of lightheartedness that is at the rock of extremism. I encourage her involvement at her church for social reasons while attempting to remind her that anything that can't be laughed about is being taken too seriously (this is the foundation for many unnecessary wars and acts of violence or discrimination).

I know the likelihood that I'll ever succeed is small, but it's important to me to wake people from what I consider to be a way of thinking that impairs sound judgement (say, when voting or choosing how to react to world politics). I'm not against religion or the right to practice religion, just its ability to cause hysteria.

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