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A typical user needs the screen but will never need more than 16GB of RAM.
If the typical user of a "pro" laptop doesn't need more than 16 gb then the typical user isn't a pro.
What exactly do you think "pro" means?
Apple’s new MacBook Pro kills off most of the ports you probably need
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Re: Apple’s new MacBook Pro kills off most of the ports you probably need
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Can you tell me you usage scenario if you are a developer for iOS, what exactly is prohibiting you from using this new generation of MacBook pros? I have not used my USB or hdmi ports on my 15" retina for years, the only port I am using is the thunderbolt to connect 4K display, but the only time I am using it is when I am at my desk, attaching a dongle to the desk monitor is quite easy and solves the only possibly is…
It's not that im prohibited from developing, its that the value proposition of a macbook pro is going down and I have no other option other than a macbook pro, all these changes are detrimental to me and I have no alternative. Can't use (now) old magsafe, can't simply connect hdmi to current screen without an adaptor, yubikey will be useless and will need a replacement, adaptor for headphones because I use hd598s and…
> adaptor for headphones because I use hd598s and will never use wireless headphones
The MBP has the standard 3.5mm headphone jack.
> I honestly can't point to a gain except maybe able to click on a emote faster using the magic bar and other odds and sods that a magic bar offers.
You're sounding awfully negative about something you haven't even used. For example, the F-key shortcuts you mentioned, if Microsoft is smart they'll add Touch Bar support so you get even better shortcuts than having to remember which F-key does what with what modifiers.
> yubikey will be useless and will need a replacement
The whole world is slowly moving to USB-C, this had to happen eventually. The fact that Yubikey doesn't have a version that supports USB-C is their own fault. And in fact 3 months ago they had a whole post about how they have a prototype but don't want to bother actually bringing it to market yet (https://www.yubico.com/2016/07/yubikey-route-usb-c/). I sure hope that today's announcement makes them realize that they do need to get off their ass and release the USB-C version.
Re: Apple’s new MacBook Pro kills off most of the ports you probably need
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Data mining. My mom just sends emails but inherited my old computer...
Fair enough, you need the RAM, but you should probably realize how atypical your usage is. 16GB is more than enough for 99+% of people.
Macbook Pro should be for people like me, and people editing HD video, and creating deep learning tools and running 12-node security network labs.
Also, MBPs are expensive, but long lasting. People use them for 5 years. 16 GB will be nothing in 5 years.
It might cost Apple like $0.50 to add a SODIMM slot. I think it was a mistake on their part
Re: Apple’s new MacBook Pro kills off most of the ports you probably need
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What in particular? Reviews on Amazon are mixed. 3.3/5 stars with 88 reviews. Looks like complaints are a mix of: - weak magnets - cosmetic (black, thicker, stiffer cable, bulky connector) Does this square with your experience?
I was referring to the MagSafe feature being removed. Seems small but it actually prevents accidents. As my colleague said today: "hope apple care includes drops"
Gotcha. I misunderstood. Thanks for clarifying.
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#195It's pretty bad. We use YubiKeys a lot, and there are no ports for them. So sad. Also: Magsafe is great (it's saved my bacon a few times). Gone. ESC key, gone. Don't know about the keyboard yet, but everything I've read doesn't point to it being decent. Probably not buying this generation of MacBooks. Might just bite the bullet and finally go to Linux on some decent hardware. So, what's a decent laptop for running Li…
magsafe saves my macbook every 6-8 months I would need at least one if not two extra chargers (one for the office, one I leave in my bag, one for the other room I work in); dongles to connect to an external monitor; and dongles to connect to projectors. All told probably another $350+ on top of the $2.9k (w/o applecare!) the 15-in model costs. They're probably going to save me $3500 by causing me to buy a mid-2015 la…
Actually that connector is at $25...
http://www.apple.com/shop/product/MK0X2AM/A/usb-c-to-lightni...
Re: Apple’s new MacBook Pro kills off most of the ports you probably need
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Macbook pro (2014) and a windows desktop. 3 screens. usually connect 2 screens to my macbook (hdmi & display port) along with my k70 keyboard and my g600 mouse. Im mainly good, I keep my F keys when im at my desk, only when im mobile and about they go and never done any heavy lifting through that way. I don't understand how people are treating this as if im the grim reaper taking a swing at the macbook pro 2016. It's…
I don't think you're the grim reaper :) Personally, I'm reacting to statements you've made like: "there is no real option if you're developing for IOS" "other macbooks don't seem the right type for heavy multitasking" "the value proposition of a macbook pro is going down" Those read like universal absolutes rather than nuanced criticisms. You do make a point with respect to adapters. I've been using Apple laptops sin…
> If you want a new machine because you want the new hotness (and hey, that can be fun), but the new hotness doesn't match your expectations, well, I'm sorry you're disappointed.
This wouldn't be so much of a problem if Apple would just update their MBP lineup regularly. The real issue will crop up in ~2 years, where the only option will still be to get the current (by then outdated) MBP for probably the same price as it is now.
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When the Mac is less than 10% of their revenue, why should they bother to care? They can coast on their reputation and they have a captive audience of iOS developers who will buy any Mac because they have to.
This was a company that said they cared. That made products which were far and away better than the competitors. I paid the Apple Tax, but it was worth it because I didn't have Windows headaches and because I had a better quality system that was truly optimized for both easy use and for power users. It was great. I actually feel crushed by this news. I valued the trust I had in Apple. And I don't say all of this ligh…
> This was a company that said they cared.
Has any company ever said that they didn't care?
Re: Apple’s new MacBook Pro kills off most of the ports you probably need
#199It's funny how Americans (USA) use the freedom as in this situation "they are necessary connections that offer you freedom" but don't even realize that's the same " freedom " they are stuck in the Imperial system; lack of standardization. I for once welcome these changes; if companies were not brave enough to let go of old ports to standarize the USB we'd be stuck in the old days with dozens of dongles. At the speed…
You mean instead of the new days with dozens of dongles? Gigabit ethernet. Video converters for each external monitor type, plus for the projector that you only use twice a year. The external mouse that you really like. The phone. The 2TB USB3 hard disk that you already have. The external DAC and pre-amp that turned your Mac into a high-quality 4 channel recorder. The non-bluetooth wireless mouse that you like so muc…
Honestly, this is one part where I don't see the big deal.
Currently for me, your list of examples is already three dongles (minidp-hdmi for hijacking hotel TVs when I'm travelling, minidp-dvi for my monitor at the office, minidp-vga for the projectors in the meetings rooms), and five different USB cables - usb-B for the usb hub in my monitor, lightning for my phone, micro-usb for my SD card, mini-usb for my camera, and micro-usb3 for my harddrive).
Everyone's annoyed that they're replacing 'The One Plug' with usb-c. But 'The One Plug' is a myth. For me, the only difference between a different connector for each device, and a different dongle for each device, is what spin you're putting on it. Either way I'm still going to need 8 cables in the bottom of my bag. The donglepocalypse is just the same list s/usb/usb-c/.
Re: Apple’s new MacBook Pro kills off most of the ports you probably need
#200It's pretty bad. We use YubiKeys a lot, and there are no ports for them. So sad. Also: Magsafe is great (it's saved my bacon a few times). Gone. ESC key, gone. Don't know about the keyboard yet, but everything I've read doesn't point to it being decent. Probably not buying this generation of MacBooks. Might just bite the bullet and finally go to Linux on some decent hardware. So, what's a decent laptop for running Li…
Personally, I am extremely happy it's USB-C only and it has no USB-A ports. USB-A is one of the worst popular connectors in history. USB-C is great. Going full USB-C gives the manufacturers the incentive to produce native USB-C hardware. Don't worry, eventually all hardware will be USB-C and the world will be better off.
Yes, you will need to buy new hardware. You're buying a multi thousand dollar machine and you are concerned about the price of a YubiKey?! And for expensive stuff, like professional audio interfaces you can just use a dongle. With a YubiKey dongles are a PITA. For stuff that stays on your desk, not so much. I still use a FireWire audio interface.
On the other hand I regret the loss of HDMI. While I can expect to get a new YubiKey, it will take at least a decade for all the HDMI-only TVs and projectors and whatnot to be replaced. Carrying that dongle is a PITA, just like carrying the ethernet dongle.