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Apple’s new MacBook Pro kills off most of the ports you probably need

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Re: Apple’s new MacBook Pro kills off most of the ports you probably need

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Post by grzm »

Yodoshi wrote: post #170
grzm wrote: post #161

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I don't think you're the grim reaper :) Personally, I'm reacting to statements you've made like: "there is no real option if you're developing for IOS" "other macbooks don't seem the right type for heavy multitasking" "the value proposition of a macbook pro is going down" Those read like universal absolutes rather than nuanced criticisms. You do make a point with respect to adapters. I've been using Apple laptops sin…

Thank you for your insight (G3 is a long time), genuinely helpful and levelled my head out! I never meant them in absolute terms, it's just me venting that im missing reasons to want this version (after always wanting a mac after any keynote in the past but never being able to afford when back then) after waiting a little while and just disappointed this time around.

That G3 was a beast :) Swappable batteries, drives, all kinds of stuff. And so heavy!

Glad to share my thoughts, and glad to help. I can understand the disappointment, too. I wish there were some MagSafe-like feature. I like the larger trackpad. I like the opportunities the Touch Bar provides, though I will miss the physical escape key and the hardware volume keys and brightness keys. Force Touch for the Touch Bar would be great. I'd also like to see more RAM available. But, that's not what's available now, and what I've got is good enough for at least another couple of years.

Hope you can find a good solution for your next system!

Re: Apple’s new MacBook Pro kills off most of the ports you probably need

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Post by Yodoshi »

eridius wrote: post #174
Yodoshi wrote: post #157

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I feel getting angry about capitalisation of a product (which some may see as being a 'grammar nazi') is very much a sign of elitism. Looking down on me for not being a 'serious' IOS developer therefore implying I cant have opinion and voice it is doubly so.

It is not even remotely elitism to say "you don't have much experience doing iOS development, therefore you're not qualified to talk about what is or is not good hardware for doing iOS development on".

I can discuss and hold and opinion then voice it in this thread, which I did which has given me useful advice and perspective, you can just say i'm wrong and point out why possibly anchored by pointing out your experience.

Don't go low and pick on grammar then imply the person you're in discussion can't have an opinion in this hacker news thread because I'm not as serious as you and even previously calling me a lair due to my grammar not being satisfactory.

You've clearly got experience that can help people, instead of trying to make people feel small, hows about using it as an anchor for real points in a discussion and then people like me can learn something good instead of learning how to inspire this torrent of vitriol bouncing back and forth.

Good luck on your coding endeavours.

Re: Apple’s new MacBook Pro kills off most of the ports you probably need

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Post by charlesism »

AvenueIngres wrote: post #53

Recently bought a Macbook Pro Retina (3 months ago), the charging cable is already dying and the ethernet - usb adapter they provide is utter crap. Each of those cost an arm and honestly, maintenance costs isn't something I factored in when I bought this 1800$ laptop. All around, the laptop is OK but not great. That experience really contrasts the very positive one I had five years ago. What went wrong? How can basic…

> charging cable is already dying ... How can basic manufacturing quality tank this hard in such a small timeframe?

You just lucked out with the original adapter.

The cables are delicate now, but the original version was actually worse. Since so many customers broke them, Apple revised the design with a slightly longer piece of rubber shielding.

Re: Apple’s new MacBook Pro kills off most of the ports you probably need

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Post by flukus »

manyxcxi wrote: post #43
flukus wrote: post #19

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What exactly are you and you're mum doing that necessitates more than 16GB?

40 browser tabs, two build daemons (gulp and gradle), three IntelliJ ultimate instances, 2 vagrant VMs, 3 more vagrant VMs I forgot to shut down, Spotify, Tomcat, and an IntelliJ debug Tomcat. And that was just what my mom was running!

You could have just said java ;)

Re: Apple’s new MacBook Pro kills off most of the ports you probably need

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Post by flukus »

elchief wrote: post #103
flukus wrote: post #19

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What exactly are you and you're mum doing that necessitates more than 16GB?

Data mining. My mom just sends emails but inherited my old computer...

Fair enough, you need the RAM, but you should probably realize how atypical your usage is. 16GB is more than enough for 99+% of people.

Re: Apple’s new MacBook Pro kills off most of the ports you probably need

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Post by flukus »

dingo_bat wrote: post #156
pjlegato wrote: post #155

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Manufacturing costs -- it's cheaper to not include a DIMM than to include one, so why would they? Also, this way, you have to buy another whole computer in five years when 16 GB is no longer enough.

It's cheaper not to include a screen but they still include it. Because users want it. So they can include the dimm slot too.

A typical user needs the screen but will never need more than 16GB of RAM.

Re: Apple’s new MacBook Pro kills off most of the ports you probably need

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Post by mattquiros »

franciscop wrote: post #151
dsr_ wrote: post #122

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You mean instead of the new days with dozens of dongles? Gigabit ethernet. Video converters for each external monitor type, plus for the projector that you only use twice a year. The external mouse that you really like. The phone. The 2TB USB3 hard disk that you already have. The external DAC and pre-amp that turned your Mac into a high-quality 4 channel recorder. The non-bluetooth wireless mouse that you like so muc…

Now you have to carry dozens of dongles, but the objective is long-term. I almost never need VGA/DisplayPort/etc for instance because it was standardized to HDMI (and now to USB-C). What port does that non-bluetooth mouse use? USB, right? Well before you'd have to check, because it could be using a PS2 as the keyboard. But now you know for sure they use USB if they use any port, which is a good thing. I remember my o…

In 10 years I'll need to buy a new machine to replace the one I have now.

Re: Apple’s new MacBook Pro kills off most of the ports you probably need

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Post by dingo_bat »

flukus wrote: post #186
dingo_bat wrote: post #156

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It's cheaper not to include a screen but they still include it. Because users want it. So they can include the dimm slot too.

A typical user needs the screen but will never need more than 16GB of RAM.

If the typical user of a "pro" laptop doesn't need more than 16 gb then the typical user isn't a pro.

Re: Apple’s new MacBook Pro kills off most of the ports you probably need

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Post by eridius »

Yodoshi wrote: post #182
eridius wrote: post #174

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It is not even remotely elitism to say "you don't have much experience doing iOS development, therefore you're not qualified to talk about what is or is not good hardware for doing iOS development on".

I can discuss and hold and opinion then voice it in this thread, which I did which has given me useful advice and perspective, you can just say i'm wrong and point out why possibly anchored by pointing out your experience. Don't go low and pick on grammar then imply the person you're in discussion can't have an opinion in this hacker news thread because I'm not as serious as you and even previously calling me a lair…

Vitriol? I think you're taking this thread far too personally.

Re: Apple’s new MacBook Pro kills off most of the ports you probably need

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Post by andromeduck »

azinman2 wrote: post #74
jimmijazz wrote: post #39

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This is the most interesting point I've seen raised today. How can you lock developers into your OS with Xcode and then not give them a viable, portable option. If they could just beef up the '12 MBP I'd be soo happy.

How is it not viable?

16 GB memory for starters
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