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Apple’s new MacBook Pro kills off most of the ports you probably need

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Re: Apple’s new MacBook Pro kills off most of the ports you probably need

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Post by dingo_bat »

paulddraper wrote: post #72
flukus wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What exactly are you and you're mum doing that necessitates more than 16GB?

It's not only the fact that it's 16gb, it's that it's soldered in, so 16gb must last for another five years or however often it is you upgrade. Edit some movies, run some servers, launch Atom, repeatedly read lots of files, do some gaming, and it's nice to have a lot. Or just open a couple Chrome tabs.

Even if the ram is soldered in, nothing stops them from providing am expansion dimm slot. In fact I'd be surprised if they haven't included that.

Re: Apple’s new MacBook Pro kills off most of the ports you probably need

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Post by rayiner »

rashkov wrote: post #123
rayiner wrote: post #76

I'm okay with the port situation--there is an elegance to the 4 completely symmetrical USB-C ports. Also super excited to ditch Magsafe. It'll be awesome to be able to just replace a USB-C charger cable instead of the whole brick when it inevitably frays. I'm bummed out about the huge reduction in battery capacity. The 13" model loses 1/3, and the 15" loses 1/4. With the addition of the touch bar, this will probably…

wouldn't you still need a brick at the other end of that usb-c cable? Very surprised to hear of the battery capacity reduction. Is that confirmed? I haven't looked at the numbers. Anyway, I always felt like that is a red line that Apple would not cross.

The USB-C charger is like the iPad charger--the USB-C cable detaches.

The battery capacity is under "tech specs."

Up to 10 hours wireless web Up to 10 hours iTunes movie playback Up to 30 days standby time Built-in 76.0-watt-hour lithium-polymer battery 87W USB-C Power Adapter

Up to 10 hours wireless web Up to 10 hours iTunes movie playback Up to 30 days of standby time Built-in 49.2-watt-hour lithium-polymer battery 61W USB-C Power Adapter

Re: Apple’s new MacBook Pro kills off most of the ports you probably need

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Post by francoisdevlin »

eridius wrote: post #109
nathanaldensr wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your argument consists of "people who don't work like I do are wrong" and you imply they should pay the price... for using a key that's been ubiquitous since the beginning of computing time.

Pay what price, though? That's the question I'm asking. What the heck are people using the Escape key for that's so important that they can't tolerate having to tap the Touch Bar instead of having a physical key? As for ubiquity, that doesn't mean anything. Just because we've had something for a long time doesn't mean we need to keep having it. For example, my current physical keyboard has no Insert key, but that's a…

Says the emacs user.

Re: Apple’s new MacBook Pro kills off most of the ports you probably need

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Post by kobayashi »

minikites wrote: post #124
kobayashi wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This was a company that said they cared. That made products which were far and away better than the competitors. I paid the Apple Tax, but it was worth it because I didn't have Windows headaches and because I had a better quality system that was truly optimized for both easy use and for power users. It was great. I actually feel crushed by this news. I valued the trust I had in Apple. And I don't say all of this ligh…

I come from a similar background but I started to feel this way a bit sooner, near the beginning of this year, when I realized that almost all of Apple's computers were 2-3 years out of date. The Mac Pro hasn't been updated in any way since 2013. The Mac Mini is almost as old. They used to do "silent speed bumps" all the time to keep up with technology advances without the needless expense and effort to redesign ever…

I held out hope for this reveal. Did I mention that I'm tremendously disappointed?

Re: Apple’s new MacBook Pro kills off most of the ports you probably need

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Post by toyg »

douche wrote: post #52
eibrahim wrote: post #3

So disappointed. I had my wallet ready to order but this is no different than my current MBP. A half baked touch screen!!! Not worth the $3500 I was going to drop on a new MBP. I can't imagine going back to windows because I enjoy the terminal and vim but seriously considering it specially that now I can run bash on windows

It's really quite absurd to spend $3500 on a laptop. That's baffling. That's more than the down-payment on my pickup truck. That's more than we paid for the last two blade servers at work, that have a combined 96 cores and, I think, 288 GB of RAM. That's just a little less than the seven laptops I have owned in my entire life.

I've said it elsewhere - the problem isn't the price, but rather that what all that money buys you is very little compared to the competition. Not just "a bit worse for the same money" or a "a bit better for a bit more money", but rather "a bit worse for a ton of extra money". That's unacceptable.

Re: Apple’s new MacBook Pro kills off most of the ports you probably need

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Post by minikites »

dsr_ wrote: post #122
franciscop wrote: post #78

It's funny how Americans (USA) use the freedom as in this situation "they are necessary connections that offer you freedom" but don't even realize that's the same " freedom " they are stuck in the Imperial system; lack of standardization. I for once welcome these changes; if companies were not brave enough to let go of old ports to standarize the USB we'd be stuck in the old days with dozens of dongles. At the speed…

You mean instead of the new days with dozens of dongles? Gigabit ethernet. Video converters for each external monitor type, plus for the projector that you only use twice a year. The external mouse that you really like. The phone. The 2TB USB3 hard disk that you already have. The external DAC and pre-amp that turned your Mac into a high-quality 4 channel recorder. The non-bluetooth wireless mouse that you like so muc…

Exactly, I don't understand how "thin laptop" is an admirable goal when you have to carry around 1-3 dongles to get anything done. The regular Macbook with only one port is a fine machine for most people but these are billed as professional tools.

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Post by grzm »

Yodoshi wrote: post #89
usaphp wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can you tell me you usage scenario if you are a developer for iOS, what exactly is prohibiting you from using this new generation of MacBook pros? I have not used my USB or hdmi ports on my 15" retina for years, the only port I am using is the thunderbolt to connect 4K display, but the only time I am using it is when I am at my desk, attaching a dongle to the desk monitor is quite easy and solves the only possibly is…

It's not that im prohibited from developing, its that the value proposition of a macbook pro is going down and I have no other option other than a macbook pro, all these changes are detrimental to me and I have no alternative. Can't use (now) old magsafe, can't simply connect hdmi to current screen without an adaptor, yubikey will be useless and will need a replacement, adaptor for headphones because I use hd598s and…

What's your current set up? Is there something about what you're using now that prevents you from continuing to use it going forward?

Re: Apple’s new MacBook Pro kills off most of the ports you probably need

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Post by Yodoshi »

eridius wrote: post #64
Yodoshi wrote: post #16

Even worse is that there is no real option if you're developing for IOS. Imac is a no go due to not wanting desktop and other macbooks don't seem the right type for heavy multitasking, compiling etc. It's MBP or bust.

I have a hard time believing that you're an iOS developer, given that you don't know it's called "iOS" and not "IOS", or that you think the desktop is called an "Imac". In any case, as an iOS developer, the new MBP actually looks really great. The only issue is the need to buy a $25 cable to plug my iOS device into the computer, but if I can afford to buy a brand new computer to work with my pretty new iPhone 7, I ca…

I call my windows desktop a desktop and an Imac desktop an Imac or 'imac' because that's how I make the distinction because I have used Windows for the majority of my life, don't care as long as people know what I mean when Im saying something.

Im not some elitist 'iOS' developer, I don't even put 'iOS' first on my CV yet I enjoy it and even had put out an app related to a hobby as a CV filler and for the fun of it.

None that doesn't lessen that I'd rather use different hardware but cant.

Re: Apple’s new MacBook Pro kills off most of the ports you probably need

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Post by toyg »

mattbroekhuis wrote: post #20

I was hoping for more RAM capacity. I don't really run into issues but I feel like I've been running 16 for 8 years or something like that.

Yeah, it's pretty ridiculous. The chipset now accepts up to 64gb, there are plenty of similarly-thin laptops on the market already shipping with 32gb -- there is just no excuse for not having a 32gb option in a flagship model in 2016. It might come with a refresh after Christmas, maybe, but to be honest today I've just lost patience with Apple.

Re: Apple’s new MacBook Pro kills off most of the ports you probably need

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Post by __david__ »

manyxcxi wrote: post #88

I've got a Cinema Display, though it's been relegated to my second monitor it is pretty nice to have all my cables routed cleanly to that and just plug in the MagSafe/T2 connection and my MiniDP connection from my big monitor every morning and just be done with it. Some cursory searches suggest I'll be anywhere from $80-150 in getting a Thunderbolt 3 -> Thunderbolt 2 adapter. This, just to get back to even after an u…

> Some cursory searches suggest I'll be anywhere from $80-150 in getting a Thunderbolt 3 -> Thunderbolt 2 adapter.

It's $49 on Apple's store: http://www.apple.com/shop/product/MMEL2AM/A/thunderbolt-3-us...

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