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Re: Google reveals statistics on government requests of its data

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Post by steve19 »

jamesshamenski wrote: post #10

Iran is not on the list. Possibly they requested to be removed.

Iran simply blocks services it does not like.

There would be no point in Iran requesting info and removals from Google. Google would ignore them at best, or worse, publish the requests and make Iranian govt look like idiots.

Re: Google reveals statistics on government requests of its data

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Post by mufumbo »

It's really cool. I would like more details on "data request".. it's still very dark matter that doesn't really tell much about. It would be interesting to know how much "per person data requests" has been released. Brazil has more "data requests" than US, but it may happen that US requests that ALL user data is sent back every month, witch would count as 12 requests :)

Re: Google reveals statistics on government requests of its data

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Post by michaelfairley »

aristus wrote: post #3

Ha, Brasil is first. A friend of mine was the admin contact for the .br domain for a large internet company. When he went back to Brazil on a visit, he was summoned to the police station for questioning (!!) over some stolen credit cards that had been used on the site. The law is pretty strict there about ownership and responsibility for what goes on on your servers.

Brazil is probably a special case due to the heavy use of Orkut there. Indeed, 218 of its 291 removal requests are related to Orkut.

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Post by garply »

ycseattle wrote: post #18
kevindication wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Don't forget possible retribution upon any Google employees left in China as well.

Get real. Do you really believe the government will go after Google's Chinese employee?

Actually, word here (in Beijing) has been that the gov't has been scooping up old Google engineers to work on the state-sponsored CCTV search engine.

Re: Google reveals statistics on government requests of its data

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Post by papersmith »

krschultz wrote: post #36
ycseattle wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My point is that majority of western news about China are biased and sensational and taken out of context. You form your opinion based on the source that is already filtered by the journalists. You will have much better view of the whole story if you can read Chinese media, just for the full story. You might refuse to do so because they are controlled by the government. I ask you to talk to Chinese, you refuse as wel…

I have friends born & raised in China who say the exact opposite of what you are are saying.

I was reading a popular Chinese forum (tianya.cn) thread on contaminated food, and I was surprised at how anti-government the tone was. (think reddit, but more extreme) There were jokes taking direct jabs at the party and state, and I was amazed that they didn't get taken down.

I think Chinese tend to avoid talking shit about their country in front of foreigners to "save face". It seems to be part of the culture.

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Post by TeHCrAzY »

ycseattle wrote: post #35
ycseattle wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So you think the government will go after the google employee because they are going public to support Google? Have you heard any Google Chinese employee "reportedly" supporting the employer and bashing Chinese government, even those living in US? Do you know the full story of the 40 people in jail for criticizing the government? Do you know the population in China? Do you know how many people are jailed in US becaus…

For some reason I cannot reply your comment, maybe because my karma is too low now. "Normal citizens, with full rights under the law, are being openly convicted and suffering harsh penalties for speaking out against the government." I would argue, in most cases, they are not normal citizens, even though in western media, they are portrait as freedom fighter. I can even tell you how to find information to prove this p…

FYI, there is some throttling re. frequency of replies, the reply link wont show up (seems to give people time to think before replying :) )

Re: Google reveals statistics on government requests of its data

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Post by nopassrecover »

ycseattle wrote: post #24
ajkirwin wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes. I do.

Let me guess, you've never been to China and you don't know anybody who grow up in China.

You haven't seen what's happened to Australian mining employees have you. Look up Rio Tinto.

Re: Google reveals statistics on government requests of its data

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Post by jsharpe »

th wrote: post #45

The breakdown by the type of removal requests is somewhat more telling than the raw numbers. Brasil: 75% orkut Germany: 52% web search, 38% YouTube India: 84% orkut US: 57% YouTube, 20% web search

That's not really telling considering that usage of orkut in Brazil and India is orders of magnitude higher than in the US or Germany.
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