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Re: MacBook Pro

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Post by microtonal »

3pt14159 wrote: post #99
blocke wrote: post #24

The touch bar examples shown are a usability disaster. You're going to hide UI from the screen and make me keep looking at the keyboard to find functionality? I stopped looking at the keyboard every 10 seconds when I learned how to touch type. The presenter spent most of his time looking at the keyboard and not the screen. This gimmick will disappear when Apple decides a touch screen is needed to complete the slow me…

This is not for when you are in "get stuff down quickly" mode. They might have predictive text, but I don't think anyone will use it. For me it's when I'm editing images in Lightroom I wish I could do more stuff full screen so that I don't have the visual clutter in the way.

This. Lightroom currently doesn't make it possible to view a photo fullscreen while at the same time having editing controls. A touch screen is also not ideal, because then your hand covers the image. The touch bar seems to make using adjustment controls in full-screen really easy.

Re: MacBook Pro

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Post by yojex »

coldtea wrote: post #133
blocke wrote: post #24

The touch bar examples shown are a usability disaster. You're going to hide UI from the screen and make me keep looking at the keyboard to find functionality? I stopped looking at the keyboard every 10 seconds when I learned how to touch type. The presenter spent most of his time looking at the keyboard and not the screen. This gimmick will disappear when Apple decides a touch screen is needed to complete the slow me…

> The touch bar examples shown are a usability disaster. You're going to hide UI from the screen and make me keep looking at the keyboard to find functionality? That's the wrong way to think of it. It's not a keyboard, it's an adaptive toolbar. And it's close to what professionals in several industries pay handsomely for -- control surfaces, only this one is also adaptive. > I stopped looking at the keyboard every 10…

To add to this, I didn't interpret it as "hiding UI" either. I don't think anything will be exclusively available for use on the TouchBar. The way I understood it was the TouchBar will behave like shortcuts to existing functionality.

Re: MacBook Pro

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Post by 0x0 »

No tactile escape key and no magsafe is a bit of a letdown, to say nothing of tactile function keys :(

Re: MacBook Pro

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Post by nodesocket »

The base model of the 13" with touch bar price increases from the current $1399 to $1799. That certainly surprised me and is substantial.

Also, why would anybody buy an air now? It is worse in every possible category.

Re: MacBook Pro

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Post by coldtea »

slantyyz wrote: post #104
blocke wrote: post #24

The touch bar examples shown are a usability disaster. You're going to hide UI from the screen and make me keep looking at the keyboard to find functionality? I stopped looking at the keyboard every 10 seconds when I learned how to touch type. The presenter spent most of his time looking at the keyboard and not the screen. This gimmick will disappear when Apple decides a touch screen is needed to complete the slow me…

When Schiller showed how MS Office worked with the touch bar, I thought it was pretty hilarious. All of the toolbar buttons and more were already on the main screen. If they had offered a touch screen instead, the user wouldn't have to take his/her eyes off the screen to perform the same functions. And that feature is already available on Windows machines with touch screens.

>If they had offered a touch screen instead, the user wouldn't have to take his/her eyes off the screen to perform the same functions.

If they had "offered a touch screen instead", the users would have to hold their hand horizontally which would get tiring in about 5 minutes and unbearable after 10.

Not to mention that the on-screen tools were and will still be there anyway if one wants to use them with the traditional, and not challenging to the muscles, mouse and touchpad technology...

Re: MacBook Pro

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Post by blantonl »

brian-armstrong wrote: post #20

Replacing hardware keys with a touchscreen on a laptop made for power users is a sign that Apple has lost touch with what made the MacBook Pro popular in the first place. I think they could have just upgraded to the newest CPU and put a new battery in and made everyone happy.

you didn't hear that they renamed it to the Macbook Social?

Re: MacBook Pro

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Post by microtonal »

slantyyz wrote: post #104
blocke wrote: post #24

The touch bar examples shown are a usability disaster. You're going to hide UI from the screen and make me keep looking at the keyboard to find functionality? I stopped looking at the keyboard every 10 seconds when I learned how to touch type. The presenter spent most of his time looking at the keyboard and not the screen. This gimmick will disappear when Apple decides a touch screen is needed to complete the slow me…

When Schiller showed how MS Office worked with the touch bar, I thought it was pretty hilarious. All of the toolbar buttons and more were already on the main screen. If they had offered a touch screen instead, the user wouldn't have to take his/her eyes off the screen to perform the same functions. And that feature is already available on Windows machines with touch screens.

Lifting my arm up to the screen every time I want to use something from the toolbar? No thank you. I already hate lifting my hands from the keyboard to use a trackpad.

Re: MacBook Pro

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Post by seanmcdirmid »

coldtea wrote: post #133
blocke wrote: post #24

The touch bar examples shown are a usability disaster. You're going to hide UI from the screen and make me keep looking at the keyboard to find functionality? I stopped looking at the keyboard every 10 seconds when I learned how to touch type. The presenter spent most of his time looking at the keyboard and not the screen. This gimmick will disappear when Apple decides a touch screen is needed to complete the slow me…

> The touch bar examples shown are a usability disaster. You're going to hide UI from the screen and make me keep looking at the keyboard to find functionality? That's the wrong way to think of it. It's not a keyboard, it's an adaptive toolbar. And it's close to what professionals in several industries pay handsomely for -- control surfaces, only this one is also adaptive. > I stopped looking at the keyboard every 10…

I can imagine programmers using the touch bar while debugging, pause, steps would easily go on it.
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