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The Best Way to Not Get Tenure

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Re: The Best Way to Not Get Tenure

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Post by wolfgke »

sametmax wrote: post #207
oldmanjay wrote: post #181

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Or do what I do, express yourself like a human instead of a business machine, leave, go do the rejected right thing for a competitor, and send the product brochure to the people who cared more about their feelings than the work. You have to be willing to do a lot of walking away, but the inevitable "you were right" has been satisfying so far. Or I guess another way to say it is if you can, do, and if you can't, by al…

This is super passive aggressive, like a child saying "I'm leaving, you will miss me guys, you'll be sorry, you'll see I was right and I'll be the one laughting !". Besides, this assumes people rejecting your idea are bad, while they are just being humans. Humans are weak unefficient creatures, it's no use to take offense in it, we all are weaks in some areas.

> Humans are weak unefficient creatures, it's no use to take offense in it, we all are weaks in some areas.

But it is correct to take offense about people in position who command about things they are weak in.

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Post by phdysfunction »

smitherfield wrote: post #10
muglug wrote: post #5

Most people, when passed over for promotion, don't write about it publicly. One has to wonder what sort of spirit possessed this author.

Speaking cynically, the motivation of the essay (and in particular stuff like his thin-gruel attempt to wrap himself in the flag of social justice) seems to be recruiting an internet brigade to harass his colleagues into reversing their decision, or simply as retaliation.

I'd say it's perhaps the former, since he's a little dickhead whose tenure was denied based on his attitude, and in part for harassing his colleagues. The other part is his research output, which is not that great either: much of the work he had was done at Harvard, and his work at Buffalo isn't that great.

Re: The Best Way to Not Get Tenure

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Post by phdysfunction »

roel_v wrote: post #210
robotresearcher wrote: post #146

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If they are new, they are neither proven great or shit. Like a new novel or work of art, or any IP. The author is proposing that people read those papers becaus he is proud of them. Nothing wrong with that.

No, not true. He's arguing he's an asset to the university, and one of his arguments is his publishing track record. In that context, there are two way papers are 'good': they are published in Nature or The Lancet, or they have high citation counts. Whether a paper has the potential to get lots of citations doesn't count for anything. Likewise, if the content is super out of this world great, but nobody has cited it…

Why do you hate this guy? In most areas of computer science, certain value of publications is attributed to the venue where they are published, which isn't necessarily science or lancet. His RV work got the best paper award, which is a good indicator of quality and potential. The other two papers are in reasonably good venues.

I think that his publications record isn't great, and that and his personality are perhaps what lead to his tenure's outcomes, but that's not a point you are making.

Re: The Best Way to Not Get Tenure

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Post by crawfordcomeaux »

wolfgke wrote: post #211
sametmax wrote: post #207

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is super passive aggressive, like a child saying "I'm leaving, you will miss me guys, you'll be sorry, you'll see I was right and I'll be the one laughting !". Besides, this assumes people rejecting your idea are bad, while they are just being humans. Humans are weak unefficient creatures, it's no use to take offense in it, we all are weaks in some areas.

> Humans are weak unefficient creatures, it's no use to take offense in it, we all are weaks in some areas. But it is correct to take offense about people in position who command about things they are weak in.

Or you could accept the situation for what it is: blind ignorance on the part of a leader. Then you can merrily do whatever's best for you without carrying around anger toward them.

Choosing to get offended is rarely a quick path to healthy productivity.

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Post by _monster_ »

austinjp wrote: post #143
MicroBerto wrote: post #68

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Some people simply aren't politicians and will NEVER have any "tact", nor could they look themselves in the mirror if they faked it. My suggestion to them is to start their own business or find one to work for (with a willing owner) that needs its core rocked or is full of straight-talkers. We shouldn't typecast ourselves for a paycheck of it leads to misery.

A good suggestion, although we should not wish to wholly abandon responsibility for the effects of our words on others.

you are so god damn boring, such a fake, holy-than-thou, prude. Everyone can see thru your BS
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