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Re: Microsoft Surface Studio

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Post by guardian5x »

sergiotapia wrote: post #166

A shame the OS is just terrible. Windows 10 is so hostile to me as a user, constantly pestering me about updates or missing DLL files. Bleh. I installed Plex in January, today after not booting my machine for about a month, I wanted to watch a video and got some random DLL missing. How a DLL can go missing while the box is turned off is a mystery to me, but there you go. I don't trust my Windows box. I trust my iMac…

Windows pestering you about missing DLL files? Sounds like a rather exotic problem.

Re: Microsoft Surface Studio

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Post by r-w »

ChuckMcM wrote: post #422
rsync wrote: post #358

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"The screen. Clearly that is the thing which makes this announcement. For me, the 3:2 aspect ratio is so more reasonable for computers than 16:9. And having a zillion pixels is wonderful although my CAD package (TurboCAD) still doesn't deal well with the high DPI screen off the Surface Book, I'm sure it would look silly on this machine." It may interest you to know that there is a reasonably priced 1:1 aspect ratio m…

That is pretty cool. Oddly enough something I've been thinking about would be a high dpi "ribbon" screen, something that is perhaps 14 - 16" wide by 3 - 4" tall. To sit just behind my nice mechanical keyboard. That screen would have application specific tool bars with large icons and easy to tweak controls (sliders, buttons, etc). That would allow me to give over my "big" display to the project workspace, whether it…

Or even better yet, build it into the keyboard as a set of forward-facing LCD buttons!

Re: Microsoft Surface Studio

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Post by dogma1138 »

heartbreak wrote: post #376
detaro wrote: post #363

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~33% more expensive than an Eizo FlexScan that has the same amount of pixels in 16:9. Not really unreasonable, I agree, but still painful.

1:1 is commonly used in medical imagery and other industrial applications, and for their sales numbers probably not a whole lot else. That's likely why the price is higher. Take a look here and notice the high count of 1:1 displays: http://www.necdisplay.com/category/medical-diagnostic-displa...

Medical displays are 5:4 or 4:3 as standard (ISO 9241 and 130something) they aren't 1:1.

Re: Microsoft Surface Studio

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Post by dogma1138 »

enraged_camel wrote: post #518
ramenmeal wrote: post #305

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I'm glad someone brought up the aspect ratio. That display looks so much more productive than 16:9.

As a side note, I've actually never understood why the industry converged on 16:9. It's pretty much only good for watching movies. I really miss 4:3.

Movies and later games.

Monitors were always 16:10 or 5:4 to allow for a task bar.

Then LCD makers didn't want to make separate panels and console gaming as well as later on streaming solidified the 16:9 home entertainment AR as the defacto standard for computer monitors.

Re: Microsoft Surface Studio

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Post by leadingthenet »

h1srf wrote: post #355
nailer wrote: post #18

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Surface Book is brilliant. Solid as a rock, keyboard better than a Mac. Battery life in tablet mode sucks, but as a laptop it's excellent.

I really wanted to like the SB but I didn't like that it doesn't have a full keyboard with End, Home, PgUp, PgDown. It's not that there isn't space to include them. I ended up returning it. For something that I paid $3k for it was a dealbreaker.

People actually use those buttons?! Genuinely curious.

Re: Microsoft Surface Studio

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Post by TheOtherHobbes »

leonroy wrote: post #446
rubber_duck wrote: post #227

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Sorry but unless this is a glorified exec office decoration, professionals care about the specs very much, especially at that resolution and price tag

I'm a pro. I'm an experienced programmer, amateur photographer, edit home videos a lot and do a bunch of computationally expensive tasks on my workstation. Whilst I'd like to have the absolute latest, cutting edge GPU from AMD/NVIDIA I also appreciate that sometimes last gen parts are cheaper, more reliable (having benefitted from refinement over the manufacturing run) and sometimes cooler running than what's new. I…

Absolutely - this is an attempt to pick up the creative market that Apple is neglecting.

The problem is that it's not really that big a market. This machine is too expensive for general use, and has the disadvantage of Windows for professional use.

I think a lot of designers are going to be interested enough to look at it, but sales aren't going to be anywhere near iMac volumes.

And sensible people will wait for the inevitable reports of serious flaws. (As I've said before, I have absolutely no confidence that MS can execute competently in the consumer market. I wish that was simple prejudice, but it's actually years of bitter experience.)

Re: Microsoft Surface Studio

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Post by nailer »

leadingthenet wrote: post #545
h1srf wrote: post #355

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I really wanted to like the SB but I didn't like that it doesn't have a full keyboard with End, Home, PgUp, PgDown. It's not that there isn't space to include them. I ended up returning it. For something that I paid $3k for it was a dealbreaker.

People actually use those buttons?! Genuinely curious.

Some folk use them for emacs keybindings for the shell (I use crtl-left etc)

Re: Microsoft Surface Studio

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Post by leonroy »

TheOtherHobbes wrote: post #546
leonroy wrote: post #446

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I'm a pro. I'm an experienced programmer, amateur photographer, edit home videos a lot and do a bunch of computationally expensive tasks on my workstation. Whilst I'd like to have the absolute latest, cutting edge GPU from AMD/NVIDIA I also appreciate that sometimes last gen parts are cheaper, more reliable (having benefitted from refinement over the manufacturing run) and sometimes cooler running than what's new. I…

Absolutely - this is an attempt to pick up the creative market that Apple is neglecting. The problem is that it's not really that big a market. This machine is too expensive for general use, and has the disadvantage of Windows for professional use. I think a lot of designers are going to be interested enough to look at it, but sales aren't going to be anywhere near iMac volumes. And sensible people will wait for the…

> The problem is that it's not really that big a market.

I considered that too, that the market might be too small. Dell tried themselves to crack this market with some exquisite kit a few years back (see my links below). Sadly they canned those products and haven't revisited the market.

Whilst there has always been premium Apple kit, there's never really been premium Windows kit. I really do hope Microsoft persever and don't give up on this segment of the market. The first few years can be painful when pivoting but customers do sometimes reward patience.

> As I've said before, I have absolutely no confidence that MS can execute competently in the consumer market. I wish that was simple prejudice, but it's actually years of bitter experience.

Agreed! But I do recall the 90s when people said the same thing about Apple...

No company stays on top (or bottom) of the pile forever. I for one hope and look forward to Microsoft evolving and changing, as they must.

Dell Crystal monitor: http://www1.la.dell.com/vc/en/corp/peripherals/monitor_22cry...

Dell Adamo notebook: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dell_Adamo

Re: Microsoft Surface Studio

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Post by thirdsun »

why-oh-why wrote: post #522
thirdsun wrote: post #517

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Even worse is that horrible Magic Mouse - it's an ergonomic nightmare. Of course there a good alternatives from other brands but none seems to feature a good touch surface. I hate scrolling in steps like it's common with non-Apple mice. So, it's either good ergonomics or touch scrolling in any direction.

I keep seeing comments about the Magic Mouse' "horrible ergonomics" and really don't get it. I've had "ergonomic mice" for a while before and, yes, they felt perfect in my hand. The issue is that I move the mouse with my fingers and not with the whole arm, so my palms stops touching their _oh so ergonomic surface_ pretty soon, defeating its purpose.

By alternatives to the Magic Mouse I mostly meant mice that aren't that flat.

However I actually use a vertical mouse by Evoluent and in my opinion the vertical position is the real benefit. It really reduces wrist pain for me. However it still comes with the same limitations as any other non-Apple mouse: No touch scrolling, not even horizontal scrolling. Which is why I use a touchpad as well.

Re: Microsoft Surface Studio

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Post by zc75 »

mmel wrote: post #512
ewzimm wrote: post #418

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The Wacom has the pressure level advantage: 2048 vs 1024 levels on the Surface. But with well-calibrated software, it should be enough. I'm not sure if people can discern 2048 levels of pressure, and I'm sure this device was tested on a lot of artists. Can't comment from experience but I would think the delay would be a bigger issue than levels (MS say they optimized for delay.)

That is a number beyond meaning for feedback to humans, like arguing for a 3000dpi screen vs a 6000dpi screen, they're both far beyond human levels of perception. From my experience of trying to eek out every variation in pressure with a wacom, 32 levels is enough. I'm not able to create 64 levels of varing pressure strokes, let alone 1024.

(It's "eke". Unless you've just seen a big spider!)
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