It's ironic. In the Middle East, they use "porn" of you as revenge. In America, the government uses porn you look at to shame you.
Sex, honour, shame and blackmail in an online world
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Re: Sex, honour, shame and blackmail in an online world
#62In this age of information, an excess of social conservatism is a systemic weakness for a culture; perhaps an existential weakness.
You are missing the forest for the trees. The reason the people in the story are having problems is because they are doing things that go against the norms of their cultures. That their particular cultures are socially conservative is incidental.
Those who go against the norms of their culture in general can face similar problems, regardless of whether those norms are conservative, liberal, or something else.
Join a progressive, tree-hugging, vegan commune and then a few months later post a series of selfies to Facebook of you driving a Hummer through the McDonalds drive-thru and then eating several Big Macs, and you'll be in for some world-class shaming and shunning. :-)
Re: Sex, honour, shame and blackmail in an online world
#63"More recently Qandeel Baloch, who came from a village in Pakistan's Punjab region, used social media to gain celebrity by posting provocative selfies online. Known as the Kim Kardashian of Pakistan, she challenged Pakistani social norms by embracing the sexualised culture of the internet - until she was strangled by her brother in July this year for bringing shame on the family.” That paragraph got dark real fast.
And people wonder why feminism is important. It's not just a non-western phenomenon. The church in Ireland operated a system of forced labour detention for women considered "immoral" known as the Magdalene Laundries: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magdalene_Laundries_in_Ireland . The last one closed in 1996. There was eventually a state apology and compensation, but astonishingly as far as I can tell nobody has even b…
A statement from the Goldsmith's University Feminist Society expressing support for the Goldsmith's University Islamic society, who intimiated and silenced an ex-Islamic woman speaking about Islam's treatment of women:
http://goldfemsoc.tumblr.com/post/134396957048/goldsmiths-fe...
A video of the critique of Islam they are supporting: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kl0sI47tVgY
Re: Sex, honour, shame and blackmail in an online world
#64Earlier quoted context omitted.
Rape culture isn't about rapes. It's about a pervasive culture of misogyny that constantly demeans, shames, and objectifies women. Please go out and become educated on the subject rather than getting all of your information on this complex, multifaceted subject matter.
I'd love to be educated about this topic. I am always eager to learn new things and broaden my horizons. I don't shy away from complex, multifaceted subject matters. It's just that, to learn, I need facts. I need something tangible and you fail to give me that.
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#65Earlier quoted context omitted.
feminism in the true meaning is very important, and it's mission might be +-over in the west, but a lot of work to be done elsewhere. i have an issue though with so called feminist women that don't care about gender equality, but they want just all the benefits for them, without other parts that naturally come with them (ie be always treated like a princess but as equal at the same time - come on, we're not schizophr…
Although there are not easily comparable atrocities going on often in the West, that does not end the need for feminism out here. Maybe it does for you because at this point it doesn't affect you directly, but we still have a deeply entrenched rape culture where brock turners and Donald Trumps can get away with assault in a very public way. Heck, turn on the tv and just listen for a while. The culture here is still v…
> deeply entrenched rape culture where Brock Turners and Donald Trumps can get away with assault in a very public way
"rape culture", in its original meaning, is a society that allows or encourages rape; Perceived sexism or public allegations of "sexual assault" isn't the same thing.
> Rape victims are still terrified to come forward in America because of the culture stacked against them
What is this claim based on?
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#66Earlier quoted context omitted.
Evidence or gtfo. What can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence. I presented my evidence in the form of official FBI statistics.
Rape culture isn't about rapes. It's about a pervasive culture of misogyny that constantly demeans, shames, and objectifies women. Please go out and become educated on the subject rather than getting all of your information on this complex, multifaceted subject matter.
Rape culture isn't about rapes.
Perhaps using more accurate names would make the education you're asking the parent poster to go get more accessible.
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#67In this age of information, an excess of social conservatism is a systemic weakness for a culture; perhaps an existential weakness.
There is much evidence to suggest that exactly the opposite is true: an excess of social liberalism leads to the downfall of a culture. Social conservatism means stable families, strong men, and social cohesion, which translates into a stronger nation. Social liberalism, as it has now, degenerates into identity politics and political paralysis. As Aristotle put it, "Tolerance and apathy are the last virtues of a dyin…
Ahh, yes, the 1950s, when millions of veterans went to college for free and obtained low-interest mortgages under the GI Bill, when the Interstate Highway System -- perhaps the largest, most costly, and most environmentally consequential public works program ever -- was begun, when half the world fell to Communism, when schools were forciably integrated and whites began to flee cities and urban centers for the implicitly segregated suburbs, when modern medicine developed the polio vaccine and the birth control pill, when half the US workforce was unionized, when the Kinsey Report and Playboy were first published...
Wait, what were we talking about?
Re: Sex, honour, shame and blackmail in an online world
#68Earlier quoted context omitted.
There is much evidence to suggest that exactly the opposite is true: an excess of social liberalism leads to the downfall of a culture. Social conservatism means stable families, strong men, and social cohesion, which translates into a stronger nation. Social liberalism, as it has now, degenerates into identity politics and political paralysis. As Aristotle put it, "Tolerance and apathy are the last virtues of a dyin…
Ahh, yes, the 1950s, when millions of veterans went to college for free and obtained low-interest mortgages under the GI Bill, when the Interstate Highway System -- perhaps the largest, most costly, and most environmentally consequential public works program ever -- was begun, when half the world fell to Communism, when schools were forciably integrated and whites began to flee cities and urban centers for the implic…
Social conservatism.
Even if I take your point that big government can be good, one has to concede that it succeeded with social conservatism. Ever since social liberalism took hold, things have gone steadily downhill.
Re: Sex, honour, shame and blackmail in an online world
#69Earlier quoted context omitted.
Although there are not easily comparable atrocities going on often in the West, that does not end the need for feminism out here. Maybe it does for you because at this point it doesn't affect you directly, but we still have a deeply entrenched rape culture where brock turners and Donald Trumps can get away with assault in a very public way. Heck, turn on the tv and just listen for a while. The culture here is still v…
> deeply entrenched rape culture where Brock Turners and Donald Trumps can get away with assault in a very public way "rape culture", in its original meaning, is a society that allows or encourages rape; Perceived sexism or public allegations of "sexual assault" isn't the same thing. > Rape victims are still terrified to come forward in America because of the culture stacked against them What is this claim based on?
> "rape culture", in its original meaning, is a society that allows or encourages rape
The term "rape culture" was first coined in the 1970s... terms have been known to evolve over time.
> What is this claim based on?
"From 2006 to 2010, the highest percentages of unreported crime were among household theft (67%) and rape or sexual assault (65%) victimizations, while the lowest percentage was among motor vehicle theft (17%) victimizations." [0]
Re: Sex, honour, shame and blackmail in an online world
#70Earlier quoted context omitted.
feminism in the true meaning is very important, and it's mission might be +-over in the west, but a lot of work to be done elsewhere. i have an issue though with so called feminist women that don't care about gender equality, but they want just all the benefits for them, without other parts that naturally come with them (ie be always treated like a princess but as equal at the same time - come on, we're not schizophr…
> feminism in the true meaning is very important, and it's mission might be +-over in the west Your claim is the exact opposite of the post you're responding to, but you don't back it up at all when the comment you're replying to provides concrete examples of the need for feminism in the west. I want to take your comment in good faith, but when you do that and then launch into the typical "haven't the feminists gone…
you've just proven quite a few points I mentioned, thank you