Sex, honour, shame and blackmail in an online world
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#2I feel very disturbed when I hear all this. I do my part, whenever I hear someone saying something degrading for woman, even as a joke, I object. Because i know, that even if it is said as a joke, if it is being said over and over, you tend to think that's the way it works.
Many a times, things happened not just because someone did something, but because someone did not do what he should have done to stop something from happening.
Do your part, if everyone will do their part to stop it, it will change a lot.
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#3"More recently Qandeel Baloch, who came from a village in Pakistan's Punjab region, used social media to gain celebrity by posting provocative selfies online. Known as the Kim Kardashian of Pakistan, she challenged Pakistani social norms by embracing the sexualised culture of the internet - until she was strangled by her brother in July this year for bringing shame on the family.”
That paragraph got dark real fast.
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#4"More recently Qandeel Baloch, who came from a village in Pakistan's Punjab region, used social media to gain celebrity by posting provocative selfies online. Known as the Kim Kardashian of Pakistan, she challenged Pakistani social norms by embracing the sexualised culture of the internet - until she was strangled by her brother in July this year for bringing shame on the family.” That paragraph got dark real fast.
This is sadly not uncommon, it just was a fairly famous case because she had a lot of followers in the west.
Honor killings are sadly the norm in many parts of the world, and are not even that rare anymore in the west at least as far as Europe goes.
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#5"More recently Qandeel Baloch, who came from a village in Pakistan's Punjab region, used social media to gain celebrity by posting provocative selfies online. Known as the Kim Kardashian of Pakistan, she challenged Pakistani social norms by embracing the sexualised culture of the internet - until she was strangled by her brother in July this year for bringing shame on the family.” That paragraph got dark real fast.
And people wonder why feminism is important.
It's not just a non-western phenomenon. The church in Ireland operated a system of forced labour detention for women considered "immoral" known as the Magdalene Laundries: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magdalene_Laundries_in_Ireland . The last one closed in 1996. There was eventually a state apology and compensation, but astonishingly as far as I can tell nobody has even been properly prosecuted for it.
"Patriarchy" is a word that often seems over-used, but only because violent words and attitudes have so often been the prelude for violent actions with state and social complicity. You can find plenty of cases in the west where women speak up and face death threats. Such as for suggesting that a woman's face appear on some bank notes: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-25641941
The line between people sending death threats on twitter and the person who strangled his sister for posting selfies is very thin.
Re: Sex, honour, shame and blackmail in an online world
#6In this age of information, an excess of social conservatism is a systemic weakness for a culture; perhaps an existential weakness.
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#7"More recently Qandeel Baloch, who came from a village in Pakistan's Punjab region, used social media to gain celebrity by posting provocative selfies online. Known as the Kim Kardashian of Pakistan, she challenged Pakistani social norms by embracing the sexualised culture of the internet - until she was strangled by her brother in July this year for bringing shame on the family.” That paragraph got dark real fast.
And people wonder why feminism is important. It's not just a non-western phenomenon. The church in Ireland operated a system of forced labour detention for women considered "immoral" known as the Magdalene Laundries: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magdalene_Laundries_in_Ireland . The last one closed in 1996. There was eventually a state apology and compensation, but astonishingly as far as I can tell nobody has even b…
And people wonder why feminism is important.
It's not just a non-western phenomenon. (...) The last one closed in 1996.
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#8One thing I find ironic is that we talk about bringing feminism to non-westernized countries like Pakistan, when Japan, one of the favored trading partners of Western countries, is full of stigma against the educated and working woman because of their "traditional" cultural views. Where are the feminists and the media for this cause?
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#9Earlier quoted context omitted.
And people wonder why feminism is important. It's not just a non-western phenomenon. The church in Ireland operated a system of forced labour detention for women considered "immoral" known as the Magdalene Laundries: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magdalene_Laundries_in_Ireland . The last one closed in 1996. There was eventually a state apology and compensation, but astonishingly as far as I can tell nobody has even b…
And people wonder why feminism is important. It's not just a non-western phenomenon. (...) The last one closed in 1996. That's 20 years ago.
And 9/11 was fifteen years ago! Doesn't time fly?
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#10One thing I find ironic is that we talk about bringing feminism to non-westernized countries like Pakistan, when Japan, one of the favored trading partners of Western countries, is full of stigma against the educated and working woman because of their "traditional" cultural views. Where are the feminists and the media for this cause?
One of the things that feminists tend to be aware of is that feminism isn't something you airdrop onto a culture, it has to be changed from within. And the voice of foreigners is often small or even counterproductive. How would "Europeans bringing feminism to America" play out? I get the impression from the election culture war that it would go down badly.
It's often more effective to focus on local issues where you actually have a vote. Plenty of those in the West.