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Re: Twitter Plans Hundreds More Job Cuts as Soon as This Week

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Because your competitor can raise those million dollars, and eventually your 20k profit per month becomes 20k loss per month. You can build all your imaginary arguments about magical businesses that make 20k profit per month while being self-sustained with holocracy, cruelty free, authentic, organic etc. etc. But the reality is that doing big things at bigger scale requires huge capital. If you are willing to pass up…

I run a bootstrapped SAAS business and I make far more than $20K a month profit and have done so for years. The key is choose a niche that is large enough to make the level of profit you want, but too small to attract VC funded competitors. The sort of market size you want is in the range of $5 to $20 million per year. Big enough to be worth the hassle, but too small to attract the big guys.

Unfortunately for Twitter, social networking is not that niche.

Re: Twitter Plans Hundreds More Job Cuts as Soon as This Week

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> why do so many companies feel like they have to grow perpetually? Because, in a nutshell, the "economy" is a massive ponzi scheme that depends on constant growth. This isn't a popular opinion among many of the VC crowd that believe in the myth of the meritocracy, but its an irrefutable truth. For example, the FED (and other central banks) set a target inflation rate (usually around 2%, but it can vary). That means…

> ponzi scheme that depends on constant growth. Can you recommend any references for a non-economist to learn about this theory? Also, is this related to why financial markets are so obsessed with profit growth? I always wondered why being profitable wasn't a good enough indicator of success.

"Can you recommend any references for a non-economist to learn about this theory?"

It's not a theory, it's armchair cynicism.

Some high growth startups are kind of like Ponzi schemes, in the sense that some investors know they won't ever get to the full valuation needed to justify the investment - but that someone down the line, after the IPO will be left 'holding the bag', but the economy itself is not a 'ponzi scheme'.

Re: Twitter Plans Hundreds More Job Cuts as Soon as This Week

#293

I've always sort of had this question that continues to feel naive - but I'm not sure I know the answer: why do so many companies feel like they have to grow perpetually? Why can't Twitter just be happy being Twitter, knowing its limits and making a stable profit? Instead it's more users, more VC money, more staff... constantly burning as quickly as possible. There's a ceiling on every business; it's all bound to com…

Bear in mind: Twitter has lost money (billions) over its lifetime, let alone failed to multiply the investment. More: http://money.cnn.com/2016/03/21/technology/twitter-10th-anni...

Re: Twitter Plans Hundreds More Job Cuts as Soon as This Week

#294

I've always sort of had this question that continues to feel naive - but I'm not sure I know the answer: why do so many companies feel like they have to grow perpetually? Why can't Twitter just be happy being Twitter, knowing its limits and making a stable profit? Instead it's more users, more VC money, more staff... constantly burning as quickly as possible. There's a ceiling on every business; it's all bound to com…

> why do so many companies feel like they have to grow perpetually? Because, in a nutshell, the "economy" is a massive ponzi scheme that depends on constant growth. This isn't a popular opinion among many of the VC crowd that believe in the myth of the meritocracy, but its an irrefutable truth. For example, the FED (and other central banks) set a target inflation rate (usually around 2%, but it can vary). That means…

You articulation of the reasoning for 2% inflation targets by Central Banks is completely and utterly false.

Re: Twitter Plans Hundreds More Job Cuts as Soon as This Week

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Actually, the FED targets something called the PCE price index which is an attempt at measuring price increases across all consumer spending. But those are just measuring details, if you want to you can go to economic conferences and argue the finer details of these measurements with rooms full of PhDs. The point though is that inflation targeting is about trying to keep the cycle of rising wages and rising prices go…

>You don't need a PHD to understand what this means, you need only basic reading comprehension and minimal intelligence: Quote from FED: >The hedonic quality adjustment method removes any price differential attributed to a change in quality by adding or subtracting the estimated value of that change from the price of the old item. What do you think "attributing a change in quality" or subtracting "estimated value" me…

You seem to fail to grasp even basic common sense: most products and service increase in value over time, and though it's difficult sometimes to measure that value, it's not 'arbitrary'.

For example - as Farmers improve their technology - Tomatoes become bigger, juicier and redder. Clearly - there is 'economic value' in those 'improved tomatoes' and that has has to be taken into consideration when comparing tomatoes grown before, to tomatoes grown now.

Stop misinforming people, take your conspiracy theories to ZeroHedge.

Re: Twitter Plans Hundreds More Job Cuts as Soon as This Week

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post #155

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That is exactly what many on Wall St have been telling them to do for years. Despite the popular perception of investment bankers, they do value "patio11 style businesses" more highly than the Twitter style of spending and losing billions of dollars and not going anywhere. I actually don't think anybody values the later.

The answer is in your example. Patio's business was barely profitable for a few years until closing down. Growth or death is true for most businesses, just need to decide on the growth acceleration

> barely profitable

Patrick wrote "year in review" posts going back to 2006, and they include full numbers, so you can see for yourself. Profit margins in 2014 (the most recent review) were at a whopping 60% across all his businesses. (See here: http://www.kalzumeus.com/2014/12/22/kalzumeus-software-year-...)

> closing down

He sold his SaaS businesses, and they are operated by other people. Here's a podcast episode about it: http://www.kalzumeus.com/2016/08/26/kalzumeus-podcast-episod...

They are still in operation, and presumably still profitable:

https://www.appointmentreminder.org/

https://www.bingocardcreator.com/

> Growth or death

Not really. Moving past patio11 as an example, just look at local businesses in your community. The ones that have been there the longest (> 50 years) have undoubtedly gone through periods of both growth and decline (I don't mean decline toward death, I mean decline for a bit and then start growing again). Many of the ones that have been there for about 20 years will have reached a sort of "asymptote" of growth--they would have grown for the first 10 or 15 years and then stabilized around a size that feels "comfortable". There are many more businesses in the world than just start-ups and public companies.

Re: Twitter Plans Hundreds More Job Cuts as Soon as This Week

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I've always sort of had this question that continues to feel naive - but I'm not sure I know the answer: why do so many companies feel like they have to grow perpetually? Why can't Twitter just be happy being Twitter, knowing its limits and making a stable profit? Instead it's more users, more VC money, more staff... constantly burning as quickly as possible. There's a ceiling on every business; it's all bound to com…

Because Twitter has received investment on the promise of eventual profit. A low / no growth model is only feasible if they don't have investors / shareholders bucking for returns at every decision point. Twitter, has made a deal with the devil in becoming a publicly traded company because at some point needs to show their stakeholders a path to profitability. Job cuts, cutting expenditure whilst hopefully maintainin…

It is not 'making a deal with the devil' to take other people's money on the basis that you'll return a certain amount of profit - and then not do so. The 'devil' it would seem are the Twitter founders, who took investors money on false premises.

So Twitter has hit a ceiling, they are making adjustments, which sadly are op cuts. If they want to hire more people than can grow their numbers.

Re: Twitter Plans Hundreds More Job Cuts as Soon as This Week

#298
I've thought long and hard about why I believe Twitter as a service isn't very valuable to me and I thing I've come up with the answer. Twitter is great at delivering live information. If I'm following my favorite artist on twitter then I know immediately when his album drops. However, that one important tweet that matters to me is mixed in with a 100 other tweets of people I follow retweeting or posting irrelevant things. For that reason the situation in which Twitter truly shines for me (instant, up to date information) is overshadowed by the fact that many people also use Twitter to post funny things which I don't care about.

Re: Twitter Plans Hundreds More Job Cuts as Soon as This Week

#299

Twitter lost the trust of many users and are now suffering the consequences. It was once supposed to be the place for the freedom of speech and truth and is now just another arm of the left-leaning politicians in the US. So many conservative/libertarian political figures and personalities have been permanently banned from Twitter in the last year for only posting an opinion that it can no longer be chalked up to circ…

I would be interested in seeing a list of political figures and personalities that got banned and the reason for their ban.

Re: Twitter Plans Hundreds More Job Cuts as Soon as This Week

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post #120

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what is patio11 ! Is it this guy? http://www.kalzumeus.com/ ?

Yes, he started his business with Bingo Card Creator (IIRC). He wrote some interesting blog posts on his business. His HN handle is patio11.

I see. Thanks for demystifying the folk-lore.
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