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Twitter Plans Hundreds More Job Cuts as Soon as This Week

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I run a bootstrapped SAAS business and I make far more than $20K a month profit and have done so for years. The key is choose a niche that is large enough to make the level of profit you want, but too small to attract VC funded competitors. The sort of market size you want is in the range of $5 to $20 million per year. Big enough to be worth the hassle, but too small to attract the big guys.

What's your point? Twitter isn't in that niche, obviously.

Twitter is a niche in my humble opinion. They are basically a short messaging pubsub service for humans, and even artificially limited themselves to that niche, by not increasing message size limits in any obvious way, by not implementing other "social" features people actually use like better photo sharing, galleries and gallery sharing, games, etc. They didn't try to become a full-fledged social network and thus competitor to Facebook (and what Google+ was supposed to be) with messaging and a ton of other stuff.

Even that One Big New Thing they announced, namely Moments, still operated exclusively in that short messaging pubsub niche entirely (and turned out not to be something their users cared about that much so far).

Now their niche market seems kind of saturated, user numbers mostly peaked, and Facebook also started competing even more in that niche when they introduced searchable #hashtags and ways to follow accounts without becoming mutual friends, while still offering their other core features and "external" services like instagram (in direct competition to twitter) or whatsapp (in direct competition to twitter DMs). Tumblr is still there, which to me always felt mostly like a "twitter" for longer-form messages. I saw people switch from twitter to Slack (and recently Discord) and embrace their not-globally-visible pubsub models in some cases, so there is some competition there too.

So in conclusion: twitter seems to me like a pretty niche service (albeit large niche), and has competitors left and right now. It isn't in "that" niche, but in a niche.

Re: Twitter Plans Hundreds More Job Cuts as Soon as This Week

#162
post #10

You'd think they would have figured out targeted ads by now. If I follow people who post about RF/Microwave, antennas, SDR, and ham radio, one would think I'd see ads from Keysight and Tektronix, but no, it's garbage like football and pop music. FAIL! I also don't like that I don't see all the tweets from a person. They are pruning the timeline. Good riddance to twitter.

Probably a lack of inventory.

That sounds about right. I see the same targeted ads repeated 3-4 times a day.

Re: Twitter Plans Hundreds More Job Cuts as Soon as This Week

#163
post #63
post #2

How many people does it really take to run Twitter? If they need more than 100 people I'd be really shocked.

> How many people does it really take to run Twitter? Given that the Salesforce buyout fell over because Salesforce didn't want to be associated with the alt-rightists and other assorted neo-Nazis running around the service, apparently more people in their abuse team than they currently have.

Do you have a source on that rationale for Salesforce backing out?

Re: Twitter Plans Hundreds More Job Cuts as Soon as This Week

#164
post #131

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http://i.imgur.com/U4mHId3.png Thanks. Good video.

How do you even grow like that? The current staff during that spike must have spent most of their time interviewing people.

That spike is misleading because the chart jumps from "Jan '11" to "Dec '13", 23 months. The other columns are all 12 months apart.

Re: Twitter Plans Hundreds More Job Cuts as Soon as This Week

#165

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Because your competitor can raise those million dollars, and eventually your 20k profit per month becomes 20k loss per month. You can build all your imaginary arguments about magical businesses that make 20k profit per month while being self-sustained with holocracy, cruelty free, authentic, organic etc. etc. But the reality is that doing big things at bigger scale requires huge capital. If you are willing to pass up…

I run a bootstrapped SAAS business and I make far more than $20K a month profit and have done so for years. The key is choose a niche that is large enough to make the level of profit you want, but too small to attract VC funded competitors. The sort of market size you want is in the range of $5 to $20 million per year. Big enough to be worth the hassle, but too small to attract the big guys.

Similar story, we should be friends :)

Care to comment on the work/life balance you have?

Re: Twitter Plans Hundreds More Job Cuts as Soon as This Week

#167

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The issue is one simple item: "When you take someone's money, their priorities are now your priorities" If you can bootstrap your business with 30k and make a 20k profit every month, then why do you need 1 million dollars from investors? When you take the money, it's just a golden handcuff and ties you to that person for the future. If your business lasts longer than 20 years, that may as well be an additional marria…

Because your competitor can raise those million dollars, and eventually your 20k profit per month becomes 20k loss per month. You can build all your imaginary arguments about magical businesses that make 20k profit per month while being self-sustained with holocracy, cruelty free, authentic, organic etc. etc. But the reality is that doing big things at bigger scale requires huge capital. If you are willing to pass up…

What if that competitor buys you to grab your market share?

Or, who funds the freemium one? Investors who push that company too far too fast, so your paid model could outlast another flash in the pan.

Re: Twitter Plans Hundreds More Job Cuts as Soon as This Week

#168
post #154

No offense to the people I know working at Twitter, but these cuts aren't deep enough to stem the losses. While Twitter revenue grew $664M, $1,403M to $2,218M over the past three years, it is going to be a lot flatter than that at the end of this year - and despite that growth they've consistently been losing about $500M p.a ($645M, $577M and $521M respectively) 3,800 people work there - and equivalent cuts last year…

Woah, they only have 3800 employees and spend 2.7Bn/yr? That's 700k per employee. What's all that money for?

Re: Twitter Plans Hundreds More Job Cuts as Soon as This Week

#169

I've always sort of had this question that continues to feel naive - but I'm not sure I know the answer: why do so many companies feel like they have to grow perpetually? Why can't Twitter just be happy being Twitter, knowing its limits and making a stable profit? Instead it's more users, more VC money, more staff... constantly burning as quickly as possible. There's a ceiling on every business; it's all bound to com…

> why do so many companies feel like they have to grow perpetually?

Because, in a nutshell, the "economy" is a massive ponzi scheme that depends on constant growth. This isn't a popular opinion among many of the VC crowd that believe in the myth of the meritocracy, but its an irrefutable truth. For example, the FED (and other central banks) set a target inflation rate (usually around 2%, but it can vary). That means if you are "stable", and the central bank has its way, you are actually shrinking.

Its obviously much more complex then this, but that is the crux of it. Unfortunately "sustainability", whether economic or environmental, isn't a priority for those .000001% of the oligarchs that run the show and make their money off debt servicing.

Re: Twitter Plans Hundreds More Job Cuts as Soon as This Week

#170
post #9

I know this is premature, but I can't help but wonder what the effect of Twitter going under would have on the Bay Area tech scene.

Twitter employs around 3900 people total, 2300 in San Francisco (numbers are from some random google sources, so may be off by a bit/time). In the first quarter, Yahoo laid off 3,135 people in the Bay Area. Twitter going under would be newsworthy, but I don't think make too much of a splash in the job market -- at least not any more than the normal tides.

Where did you get the 3135 number for Yahoo from? That is definitely wrong, as far as I know (from being there during the layoffs).
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