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Re: Smartwatch sales are tanking

#91
As a wearer of a 1950s Bulova selfwinder, rather than the face, I'd like to see smatwatch vendors focus on the band. In other words, a third-party creates a 16mm or 18mm Nato style strap which embeds the battery, heartrate sensors, motion sensors, etc. and communicates to a smartphone or PC via bluetooth for data collection. The same 1950s Bulova (or whatever) face is attached to the band.

Re: Smartwatch sales are tanking

#92

Seems like they will stay a niche until they can replace phones entirely, and perhaps even past then. A lot of people just don't like having something strapped to their wrist and/or want a large screen. As a watch guy (and most watch people are guys) the first smart watch I've been excited about is the upcoming gear S3: http://www.samsung.com/global/galaxy/gear-s3/ Because it looks like a real watch and has the rotat…

Anyone else remember graffiti input on PalmOS[1]? It strikes me that even a low resolution digitiser (32x32, maybe less?) would still resolve those characters. That gets you SMS entry and contact search, maybe? [1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graffiti_(Palm_OS)

It was great. but writing on a micro screen is no fun. press and swipe are about as far as it should go with wrist touch interfaces.

Re: Smartwatch sales are tanking

#93

As a wearer of a 1950s Bulova selfwinder, rather than the face , I'd like to see smatwatch vendors focus on the band . In other words, a third-party creates a 16mm or 18mm Nato style strap which embeds the battery, heartrate sensors, motion sensors, etc. and communicates to a smartphone or PC via bluetooth for data collection. The same 1950s Bulova (or whatever) face is attached to the band.

i agree. Stuffing everything into one tin makes it too big with too short battery life. The problem with putting sensors & power in the strap is that it's not longer a watch insofar as you can change straps. personally, i think the "band" format is superior, mainly for these reasons.

Re: Smartwatch sales are tanking

#94
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The biggest issue for me with the "smartwatch" is that they don't have feature parody with dumb watches. I've had many watches in the past and the battery lasts for years. I can also turn my wrist and see the time instantly. Who would have thought? What I get now is some piece of crap that needs to be charged every night. So I basically have no features while I'm sleeping. I can't just wake up in the middle of the ni…

I agree with you. I have a mechanical Rolex watch with an automatic winder. I can keep it on my wrist 24/7, even at night. It glows in the dark. I can instantly see the time when I look at the watch. There is no smartwatch in the world that matches these features. And it does all this without me ever having to "charge" it. Yes, I do have to adjust the time once a week because it runs about 1 second fast per day. But that takes me about 5 seconds/week to adjust.

No Smartwatch for me, I think my mechanical watch is much smarter.

Re: Smartwatch sales are tanking

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post #45

Seems like they will stay a niche until they can replace phones entirely, and perhaps even past then. A lot of people just don't like having something strapped to their wrist and/or want a large screen. As a watch guy (and most watch people are guys) the first smart watch I've been excited about is the upcoming gear S3: http://www.samsung.com/global/galaxy/gear-s3/ Because it looks like a real watch and has the rotat…

> until they can replace phones entirely I.e. never? I mean, I can picture making phone calls or dictating SMS by voice with a smart watch, but people are not going to be browsing the web or taking pictures with a tiny wrist device when they already have a 5-6" inches display device on their pockets, and almost no one would ditch the latter for the former if they had to choose. I think it's likely that smart watches…

FWIW, I said the same thing about smartphones when they came out - who'd want to browse the web on a tiny 4" screen when you've got a 13" laptop? And indeed, I do very little web-browsing on my smartphone; it's generally just used to answer quick questions when I absolutely need information (or, well, when I want to win an argument over dinner :-P).

What made smartphones useful was people discovered new uses that you just couldn't use a computer for. You can't do turn-by-turn navigation with your laptop in the car. It's nearly useless if you're standing at a street corner in an unfamiliar city and want to know where the closest coffeeshop with wifi is. You can't use it to take a picture of the cute little ducks crossing the road and send it to your wife. It does you no good when you want to hail a car to take you home.

People haven't yet discovered similar uses for a smartwatch. It's highly likely that they exist, though. What the watch gives you is hands-free information: you can receive quick, 1-5 second notifications even if you're carrying something or immersed (sometimes literally) in physical activity. I've already found this useful for getting notifications that my founders' group has changed where we're meeting while I'm driving there, or that my wife has already gone to the grocery store, or for checking off items on my shopping list while carrying shopping bags. There are probably other bigger uses waiting to be discovered.

Re: Smartwatch sales are tanking

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I saw the Fossil Q ( https://www.fossil.com/us/en/wearable-technology.html ) in the wild the other day and it looked very attractive. I love that bezel input idea! I hadn't seen the Gear S3

What does the "charging not required" claim mean for the hybrid watches? They claim a 6-month battery life. What do you do afterwards? Replace the battery?

There are several types of self charging watches out there. Solar are some, kinetic watches. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automatic_quartz

I think that means it will sit on a shelf unworn for 6 months

Re: Smartwatch sales are tanking

#98
Smart watches don't have any particular niche to capture that other devices don't have. Maybe if they expanded into large screen computers, that would be cool. It'd be nice to have a rolled up monitor on my arm - it'd be great for maps cause I could unroll it with the other hand to get a peek at the map and then let it auto-re-roll itself. Sorry - I don't have a diagram to show you the idea, but maybe you can catch my drift. I'm aware there are some flexible screens already (some organic stuff), but I don't know much about the progress in that area.

Re: Smartwatch sales are tanking

#99
Of course they are, they are just a gimmick to try to sell gadgets to those that already own a PC, tablet and phones and overcome the flat downwards curve in sales, now that all those devices are good enough for most people.

As a former owner of the old Casio and Timex first waves of smartwatches, I fail to get any interest on 21st version of them.

Re: Smartwatch sales are tanking

#100
The "smartwatch" from Apple and Android is not a good idea. Fitbit and Pebble are closer to the right direction. Apple/Android keep trying to make watch-sized smartphones. But they will never compete with actual smartphones, they will just always be annoying inferior smartphones on your wrist.

The key factor is to consider which senses are optimal UI for each device. Smartphones dominate the visual and audio senses. Smartwatch simply can't compete there. So smartwatch should have a very simple very low power display like the Fitbit and Pebble and maybe a simple speaker/mic.

So what sense is the smartwatch good for? It's touch. There is a lot of potential of using vibrations/touch as a UI. For example, I think the Apple watch vibrates for turns when you do a Maps route. That's a good start. They need to focus more on things like this. There's a lot you can communicate with vibration, kind of like morse code (such as two quick vibrates, a long vibrate, etc.)

And now Apple has a very advanced touch sensor (the new one in iphone 7). Get rid of that silly big screen on Apple watch. Put the touch sensor there. Why not just allow thumbprint scan, wave my watch at a Apple Pay terminal, and buy things? Way less effort than taking out my phone.

These kind of pure touch and vibration UI is a huge open field. And I think Apple somewhat understands this. But they need to make the big step of dropping that screen. Because that's not where the smartwatch is strong. And it would also allow long battery life which is more important for smartwatch. People are used to daily charge for phones. But much less tolerant of that for watches.

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