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Why Tim Cook Is Steve Ballmer and Why He Still Has His Job at Apple

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Re: Why Tim Cook Is Steve Ballmer and Why He Still Has His Job at Apple

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Post by vthallam »

sven-51 wrote: post #20

Applies to Pichai at Google too. Google was a search company that put the browser/mobile guy in charge. You are not going to see stuff like this http://aurelieherbelot.net/pears/ http://aurelieherbelot.net/how-small-is-the-world-wide-web-r... come out of Google for the simple reason they are busy playing empire defense all the while the need for a centralized search engine reduces.

Really? Sundar Pichai is a product guy and all he is trying to do now is push their AI research and apply existing innovations to all consumer product lines(search,maps,photos,assistant,home,pixel etc) which i think is the need of hour.

Search will be the key thing Google does, but they are strategically building product lines(conversation UI) so that they don't miss out on how people search for stuff.

Re: Why Tim Cook Is Steve Ballmer and Why He Still Has His Job at Apple

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Post by ubercore »

ungzd wrote: post #21

These hyped "conversational interfaces" and augmented reality remind me of Clippy and Microsoft Bob. And IoT is real disaster, not innovation. So good that they're not jumping onto these bandwagons.

A non-disastrous IoT ecosystem would be real innovation. I'm still waiting for it!

Re: Why Tim Cook Is Steve Ballmer and Why He Still Has His Job at Apple

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Post by Spooky23 »

bad_user wrote: post #12

The article is short on details why he thinks Tim Cook is like Steve Ballmer, except for saying that Apple is slowly missing the boat on AI. I don't know what Amazon does for AI, I haven't seen anything convincing from them, but I'll trust the author that they are working on it. However it's tough to beat Google in this space, because AI and machine learning is what Google has focused on since their beginnings . Goog…

AI is, like it was the first time around, a really speculative bet that will probably disappoint.

IMO, Apple's approach is more honest and has a clear path to profitability. Everyone else is promising the world and not delivering much at all.

Re: Why Tim Cook Is Steve Ballmer and Why He Still Has His Job at Apple

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Post by bischofs »

zekevermillion wrote: post #11

Even if I generally agree with disappointment at the apparent "maintenance mode" of Apple's product line, I am not sure Ballmer is the best analogy. My understanding is that Tim Cook actually is responsible for many of the supply chain innovations behind Apple's dominant product lines. This is an incredibly hard technical feat, not just blustery MBA crap. I suppose it remains to be seen whether Apple can put its enor…

Generally speaking a product company can't thrive off supply chain innovations. The market will move to commodification at some point.

Re: Why Tim Cook Is Steve Ballmer and Why He Still Has His Job at Apple

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Post by Quequau »

fatbird wrote: post #19

The single useful thing the article could have presented was how or why Cook's/Apple's efforts at AI products will fail while Google's will succeed; how Apple's AI products will be the Windows Phone of Cook's tenure (or, for that matter, how Windows Phone failed or could have been done differently). Without explaining how apparently similar efforts will yield different outcomes, this is all jazz-hands about CEO perso…

Man, I only have one thing about the pseudo-AI craze that I'd like to hear from Apple to get my business: Seeing how their current top end SoC is so powerful, stop sending all sorts of data to external parties to offload the compute requirements to make stuff like Siri work.

Re: Why Tim Cook Is Steve Ballmer and Why He Still Has His Job at Apple

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Post by nicky0 »

kimar wrote: post #32

Funny that the article fails to mention Jony Ive as the obvious successor to Cook. Doesn't it look like Apple has its next "creative CEO" all prepped up?

I wouldn't say it looks like that. Ive very rarely makes public appearances or speaks on behalf of the company. We know he's a brilliant designer, but this doesn't necessarily make him a good fit for CEO.

Re: Why Tim Cook Is Steve Ballmer and Why He Still Has His Job at Apple

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Post by tkinom »

pyrophane wrote: post #24
nucotano wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Isn't he kind of ruining Windows?

How so? I personally don't like all the pre-installed and unremovable stuff like Xbox, the fact that turning off Cortana is now really difficult, and how many knobs you have to turn to keep the os from sending everything you type to MS. Is that what's is ruining it, or is there something else?

It is easy to use Windows Firewall to block XBox, Cotana, etc from access Internet. I blocked all windows 10 services (svrhost) layer from Internet except DNS and NTP. In my windows 10 system, only firefox get to the net unrestricted.

After that, windows 10 is actually a joy to use.

Re: Why Tim Cook Is Steve Ballmer and Why He Still Has His Job at Apple

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Post by nicky0 »

Quequau wrote: post #36
fatbird wrote: post #19

The single useful thing the article could have presented was how or why Cook's/Apple's efforts at AI products will fail while Google's will succeed; how Apple's AI products will be the Windows Phone of Cook's tenure (or, for that matter, how Windows Phone failed or could have been done differently). Without explaining how apparently similar efforts will yield different outcomes, this is all jazz-hands about CEO perso…

Man, I only have one thing about the pseudo-AI craze that I'd like to hear from Apple to get my business: Seeing how their current top end SoC is so powerful, stop sending all sorts of data to external parties to offload the compute requirements to make stuff like Siri work.

I thought Apple specifically didn't send your data to external parties. That's one of the reason Siri is behind Google, which does send you data to their servers.

Re: Why Tim Cook Is Steve Ballmer and Why He Still Has His Job at Apple

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Post by zimpenfish »

bischofs wrote: post #10

Tim Cook is a "Bozo" - He has moved the focus away from computers and the companies core professional users and turned Apple into a fashionable health services company. They will coast for a while on their dominant mobile market share but eventually the stagnation and lack of new products will catch up to them. He built a watch, which was a "me too" product and answered a question that no one asked. Jobs would never…

Your frequent reminded that people have said "They will coast for a while on their dominant mobile market share but eventually the stagnation and lack of new products will catch up to them" about Apple -every- -single- -year- since about 2007. And yet, they endure.
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