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Re: IPFS is the Distributed Web

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Post by tom_mellior »

clueless404 wrote: post #116
wyager wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What do you mean? It seems to me that the single largest destructive force on the internet is forcible content takedowns. IPFS is immune to those.

In which way is IPFS immune to content takedowns? IPFS provides no anonymity, so it won't take long before DMCA notices to start arriving.

> In which way is IPFS immune to content takedowns?

In the way that, if one node is forced to take down some information, that information may still be accessible from other nodes under the same address as before. It's not quite immunity: They can still harrass individuals. Call it "resilience", maybe.

> IPFS provides no anonymity, so it won't take long before DMCA notices to start arriving.

It should compose well with Tor, I'd hope.

Re: IPFS is the Distributed Web

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Post by s_kilk »

rv11 wrote: post #118
singham wrote: post #110

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With the web going more mobile with less storage space. Why would anyone would want to be a node in such a network where you have to cache content for others.

same reason why people seed torrent?

Notably, no-one seeds torrents from their mobile connections. The cost would be prohibitive, without even getting into the issue of storage.

Re: IPFS is the Distributed Web

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Post by traverseda »

splintercell wrote: post #101
d--b wrote: post #98

I have a truly naive question about the distributed web: what makes the supporters of it think it will be any different from the original web. I mean, isn't it likely that at some point, there will be the need for a centralized search engine for it? Isn't it unavoidable that big companies like facebook runs their own non-distributed subnetwork, so that it can deliver standard functionality to all its users? The origi…

IPFS + Ethereum Smart Contracts = Distributed Web The idea is that we run that centralized search engine via Smart Contracts. In other words, using a decentralized currency such as Bitcoin and decentralized execution environment like Ethereum, we create softwares which pays people for providing CPU time and disk space (facilitated by IPFS). Few missing pieces of this puzzle are homomorphic encryption implemented on S…

It's a pity that ether seems to really want to make their own file layer, and IPFS seems to really want to make their own coin for dns.

Re: IPFS is the Distributed Web

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Post by traverseda »

Taek wrote: post #112
splintercell wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

IPFS + Ethereum Smart Contracts = Distributed Web The idea is that we run that centralized search engine via Smart Contracts. In other words, using a decentralized currency such as Bitcoin and decentralized execution environment like Ethereum, we create softwares which pays people for providing CPU time and disk space (facilitated by IPFS). Few missing pieces of this puzzle are homomorphic encryption implemented on S…

A search engine via ethereum is not going to scale, is not easily upgraded, and will fall far short of any properly centralized search engine. If you want a competitve decentralized search engine, you're going to need a different technology.

I think that's why they talk about homomorphic encryption.

Re: IPFS is the Distributed Web

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Post by clueless404 »

tom_mellior wrote: post #121
clueless404 wrote: post #116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In which way is IPFS immune to content takedowns? IPFS provides no anonymity, so it won't take long before DMCA notices to start arriving.

> In which way is IPFS immune to content takedowns? In the way that, if one node is forced to take down some information, that information may still be accessible from other nodes under the same address as before . It's not quite immunity: They can still harrass individuals. Call it "resilience", maybe. > IPFS provides no anonymity, so it won't take long before DMCA notices to start arriving. It should compose well w…

Which makes it about as resilient as regular content hosting, which is not very.

Does IPFS work with Tor?

Re: IPFS is the Distributed Web

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Post by clueless404 »

httpagent wrote: post #102
d--b wrote: post #98

I have a truly naive question about the distributed web: what makes the supporters of it think it will be any different from the original web. I mean, isn't it likely that at some point, there will be the need for a centralized search engine for it? Isn't it unavoidable that big companies like facebook runs their own non-distributed subnetwork, so that it can deliver standard functionality to all its users? The origi…

I am a novice, but I'll do my best to answer. IPFS isn't a replacement for the existing web like many of its predecessors, for the purposes of your question, it really works more like a drop-in shared caching system. The site host doesn't have to participate in IPFS for this to work. As an example: You host a blog. As an IPFS user, I surf to the blog and store your content in my cache. When another IPFS user attempts…

> The site host doesn't have to participate in IPFS for this to work.

Really?

An IPFS user will scrape HTTP content, republish it over IPFS and update a directory of where non-IPFS content can be found over IPFS?

I must have missed that part.

Re: IPFS is the Distributed Web

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Post by rv11 »

s_kilk wrote: post #122
rv11 wrote: post #118

Earlier quoted context omitted.

same reason why people seed torrent?

Notably, no-one seeds torrents from their mobile connections. The cost would be prohibitive, without even getting into the issue of storage.

cost is prohibitive today, not necessarily tomorrow or work only when you are using wifi . storage can be capped.

Re: IPFS is the Distributed Web

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Post by kordless »

glibgil wrote: post #107
daveguy wrote: post #104

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The difference is IPFS (or similar) would distribute content . Currently communication is distributed, but content is not. IPFS is like https, but where every page is a bittorrent. There are challenges for security in distributing services and monetization. However, the key is that content would be distributed. YouTube probably would not switch to ipfs, but DNS (what was targeted recently) would make sense. A DNS hos…

The internet may run on content (storage) and communication, but both those things run on computation . Until computation can be safely distributed real changes can't happen

I've come to the conclusion compute needs to be separated from content and users using a new non-financial based business model. That's the only way to ensure game theory based models don't fuck up the infra on which everything depends.

Re: IPFS is the Distributed Web

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Post by mburns »

clueless404 wrote: post #126
tom_mellior wrote: post #121

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> In which way is IPFS immune to content takedowns? In the way that, if one node is forced to take down some information, that information may still be accessible from other nodes under the same address as before . It's not quite immunity: They can still harrass individuals. Call it "resilience", maybe. > IPFS provides no anonymity, so it won't take long before DMCA notices to start arriving. It should compose well w…

Which makes it about as resilient as regular content hosting, which is not very. Does IPFS work with Tor?

>Which makes it about as resilient as regular content hosting, which is not very.

It is decidedly more resilient than regular hosting in that situation.

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