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The Best Way to Not Get Tenure

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Re: The Best Way to Not Get Tenure

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You know it seems obvious to you but I spend the last 10 years on the job knowing absolutely nothing about this. I'm a programmer and I have good social skills. As a trainer, talking in public comes naturally, as a team leader, I'm also quite good in conducting meetings and driving the team efforts. But I have ZERO political skills, and I couldn't understand why. Reading your comment is like finally getting the missi…

The problem with this approach is that it's tricky to take credit for when you get your way because you've done it so quietly. You have to have an organization and leadership that is wise enough to recognize what you've done.

you get the agreement quietly, such that when you speak publicly there is a general agreement on the statements you make in the group. hence you do get credit.

also note that if you (need to) push an idea, you shouldn't be the only one pushing it. You should prevent the idea becoming tied to you as person.

Some people will just disapprove the idea because of the fact that it comes from you (instead of judging it by its merits).

Re: The Best Way to Not Get Tenure

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I'd agree that the way to appeal to management is to build relationships & grassroots support in the organization. But the way to appeal to the market (which seems to be his current situation now, since he seems to be looking for a new job) is to make a big splash, take credit for all the things you've done, define yourself in terms of what you'd most like to do, and then wait for the calls to come in. The difference…

>take credit for all the things you've done Might sound corny but -there is no I in team -. Great leaders bring change by assembling great teams where everyone gets their time to shine and don't take the credit for it. Everyone wins.

Great leaders bring change by assembling great teams where everyone gets their time to shine and don't take the credit for it.

Yes and no. Let's say your team has pulled off a major coup. As a (good) manager you very publicly say that all the credit belongs to the team. The team are happy and they love you. But the power players understand your real message.

Re: The Best Way to Not Get Tenure

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Here's something he didn't write about: Postdoc at MIT (2010–11), PhD from Harvard (2010), 5000+ citations with an h-index of 14 [1][2]. [1]: https://www.linkedin.com/in/geoffrey-challen-572b771a [2]: https://blue.cse.buffalo.edu/people/challen@buffalo.edu/Geof...

His performance in the citation game is considerably weaker since 2011 (when he started at Buffalo).

>performance in the citation game

Am I the only one who thinks that is a cringe-worthy metric to evaluate a scientist?

Re: The Best Way to Not Get Tenure

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Just because someone has been doing something for twenty years doesn't mean that what they're doing can't be improved. It doesn't even mean they're necessarily competent. The professional response to a newcomer isn't to have a snitty fit of tutting and hissing, but to consider the possibility that maybe the younger newcomer has something to offer. If they're just being Dunning-Kruger-ish then fine - snipe away. But i…

No, you are right, I was perhaps too harsh. But it takes some modesty and humility to pause and consider why the system ended up the way it has, and why the elder's are resistant to change. The author shows no sign of modesty or humility, so it isn't at all clear to me that the elders were snitty or tutting and hissing. In fact, it sounds like there were other issues the author was deliberately ignoring. Finite resou…

As a student who has participated in some decisions regarding changing courses at my institution, I think classes here are usually bad because no one really cares. It requires tact to say "this course is garbage and you don't care about it anyway; let me handle it" without bruising egos.

But I think it's bullshit to say that not bruising egos is an important skill, especially in science. The kinds of scientists whose egos are easily bruised are the kinds of scientists who Max Planck was talking about when he said "science progresses one funeral at a time." People who refuse to acknowledge constructive criticism unless it's sugar-coated will continue to pursue the same ideas even after others have proved them wrong.

This is a systematic issue. Science is full of people with big egos. When scientist A criticizes scientist B's idea, ideally scientist A would think really hard about scientist B's criticism and either say "yes, you're right" or "no, here's what you're missing" (ideally with experiments). Scientists with big egos don't do this. They reject other scientists' criticism out of hand, and they criticize people based on feelings rather than ideas. The problem is contagious: Scientists with big egos attract more scientists with big egos, since those are the people who continue to believe they are great despite the barrage of nonsensical criticism. And egos tend to grow larger, not smaller, as people rise in rank.

Appropriately weighing others' evaluations of your ideas is really hard. It requires the technical skill necessary to come up with those ideas in the first place; the social skill to distinguish between sycophantic praise and true positive evaluation; and the emotional control to ignore anger or disappointment that might result from negative evaluation and focus on the content instead. In my experience, people who can do these things make much better scientists, and are much better to work with. They are less guarded when brainstorming ideas and more willing to change their minds in the face of superior evidence. But in modern science, there are relatively few incentives that favor accurate self-evaluation, and many that favor persistence above all else. In a world where ~5% of incoming graduate students go on to become tenured professors, people who aren't great and know it (or are great but don't know it) drop out early, and the people looking for positions end up being a combination of great people and mediocre people who think they're great.

Re: The Best Way to Not Get Tenure

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This also explains how Trump increased republican primary turnout while upsetting republicans. It's not that there are more trumpists than traditional republicans (the general election is proving that). It's that just that Trump did have plenty of support from outside the party that he could pull into the primary.

I think this is stated in a factually misleading / inaccurate way. The vast majority of Trump voters are “traditional Republican” voters, at least in general elections. Many were folks who usually only turned out to vote in the general election, but not in the primary. In other words, they were expanding the pool of Republican primary voters, but not significantly expanding the pool of general election Republicans fr…

Just to get back on track.. Faculty positions are very hard to fill.

As a tenured professor in a department looking exactly for this type of "Hacking Professor" I can tell you it may take a year to find talent. Positions in Europe might be even harder to fill. Advantage of our "biking distance from Amsterdam" culture is that anti-establishment mentality and non-conformist hear style of professors is acceptable. Quality research and teaching counts. We have an official CS class called "the Hacking Lab".

Any Associated or Assistant Professors out there with experimental background, please click: https://www.academictransfer.com/employer/TUD/vacancy/36681/...

Re: The Best Way to Not Get Tenure

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Sort of. Depends on what you mean "low". I know salaries in that field can be skewed by large salaries from tech companies, but tenured professors at UB tend to make at least $100k, which is a very good salary in areas such as western NY. "Superstars" can make around $250k. As a side note, since UB is a state school, salaries are public information[0]. He was making over $100k, even before tenure. [0] http://seethrou…

Every public employee in Texas must have its salary public, so you can see those nice 5 million dollars a year salary for football coach, president etc.[1][2], but you can also look at the Computer Science professors [3][4]. It ranges from a $154k to $250k, those salaries don't look too skewed compared to tech companies, especially considering the cost of life in those city (median housing price 3 to 6x cheaper than…

> those salaries don't look too skewed compared to tech companies

First, I think UT is a bit of an outlier: they are one of the top ranked departments in the country. Second: faculty members making $150k typically don't step into jobs in industry at $150k, they typically double or triple their salary.

Generally, salaries in academia are much lower than what the academic could be making in industry. However, to make that in industry they'd have to compromise in a lot of ways: having a job in academia means you're trading your opportunity cost to not have a boss, work on what you want, mentor students, set your own hours, etc...

Anecdotally (from my experience in academia) salaries for profs at average departments ranges from low 100s to high 100s, unless you move into more management-style roles (e.g., department chair). Naturally, this is higher for top places.

Re: The Best Way to Not Get Tenure

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You know it seems obvious to you but I spend the last 10 years on the job knowing absolutely nothing about this. I'm a programmer and I have good social skills. As a trainer, talking in public comes naturally, as a team leader, I'm also quite good in conducting meetings and driving the team efforts. But I have ZERO political skills, and I couldn't understand why. Reading your comment is like finally getting the missi…

Agreed. Being political is a ton of work. I find doing what OP suggests, which amounts to silently taking responsibility for other people's feelings instead of openly communicating about them, to be taxing as hell. Putting on an emotional mask usually is. Being "political" in this sense is a codependent behavior. Instead of operating out of fear of others' reactions, I prefer to give people the space they need to fee…

There's some really valuable truths in what you said. It takes years to discover, learn and master that and many people never come close to achieving those skills.

This is the kind of thing you learn by hard knocks or by a really caring mentor.

Re: The Best Way to Not Get Tenure

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You know it seems obvious to you but I spend the last 10 years on the job knowing absolutely nothing about this. I'm a programmer and I have good social skills. As a trainer, talking in public comes naturally, as a team leader, I'm also quite good in conducting meetings and driving the team efforts. But I have ZERO political skills, and I couldn't understand why. Reading your comment is like finally getting the missi…

The problem with this approach is that it's tricky to take credit for when you get your way because you've done it so quietly. You have to have an organization and leadership that is wise enough to recognize what you've done.

On the upside, you will not get blamed when your move turns out to be wrong :)

Re: The Best Way to Not Get Tenure

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I'd agree that the way to appeal to management is to build relationships & grassroots support in the organization. But the way to appeal to the market (which seems to be his current situation now, since he seems to be looking for a new job) is to make a big splash, take credit for all the things you've done, define yourself in terms of what you'd most like to do, and then wait for the calls to come in. The difference…

>take credit for all the things you've done Might sound corny but -there is no I in team -. Great leaders bring change by assembling great teams where everyone gets their time to shine and don't take the credit for it. Everyone wins.

While this is true, senior job applicants are expected to be very explicit about their achievements. Instead of saying "my team completed the project on time and under budget" they'd say "I identified stakeholders, negotiated timescales, and personally managed a budget of x million", for example.
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