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Post by hilop »

kristianov wrote: post #50
on_my_position wrote: post #41

This is clearly a very bad direction for China in itself. Most people reading this instinctively want a "but", and this is one that I can provide that applies to China and Russia (though Russia is really much freer than China): Western critiques of China and Russia are directed at the regime, but if the regime collapses, there is no on to criticize, but people still suffer. That is, the Western critique is not fully…

With Trump and Hillary, the community on Chinese websites are increasingly disenchanted with democracy. One high-vote answer in Zhihu, or "the Chinese Quora", claims that this election cycle has been a "great educational experience for Chinese Nationalism and Marxism". You'd be surprised how popular Trump is in China, and how much they support their Government.

If Chinese love Trump, why are they disenchanted with democracy? Trump is doing great in democracy, in the #1 or #2 spot. And I'd assume they'd like Trump less if they were more knowledgeable of English and USA news.

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Post by mark_edward »

hilop wrote: post #56
dkarapetyan wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How is a credit rating different from citizenship rating? Your buying patterns reveal an awful lot. Why is one ok and the other isn't?

Credit ratings are about how risky it is to lend you money, not where you are allowed to live, drive, and work.

They often work out to the same thing. I've been denied work and housing due to credit rating problems.

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Post by dkarapetyan »

hilop wrote: post #56
dkarapetyan wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How is a credit rating different from citizenship rating? Your buying patterns reveal an awful lot. Why is one ok and the other isn't?

Credit ratings are about how risky it is to lend you money, not where you are allowed to live, drive, and work.

Is that really true? Access to credit determines a bunch of things and I'd say it's not just limited to where you live, drive, and work. It can sometimes even determine whether you're able to pay for healthcare or not.

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Post by hilop »

berntb wrote: post #6

As I understand it, the reason the world have become more democratic and liberal for generations was because freedom made a society work better. The open societies out competed the closed ones. If this model really works for China and other non democracies, so they can keep a liberal economy and still control people hard politically, then: 1984, here we come. :-(

No, the world became more US like for generations because the US was a relatively homogenous ethnic population (after genociding the competing ethnic groups) that controls a quarter of the planet's natural resources and has oceans for borders, so it rose to economic and military dominance easily.

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Post by snuxoll »

fvargas wrote: post #37
aub3bhat wrote: post #2

I just finished watching the Nosedive (Season 3, episode 1) from Black Mirror on Netflix, it shows a similar system. Unlike other Black Mirror episodes its quite well balanced. I would highly highly recommend watching it.

Just the title of this post reminds me of the anime Psycho-Pass https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psycho-Pass

First thing that comes to mind for me whenever Sesame Credit is brought up.

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Post by cpeterso »

This reminds me of the "Whuffie" social currency from Cory Doctorow's science fiction novel Down and Out in the Magic Kingdom. A person's current Whuffie is instantly viewable to anyone, as everybody has a brain implant giving them an interface with the Net.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whuffie

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Post by tmptmp »

I feel sad about the Chinese people and people living under communist/Marxist regimes.

Communism/Marxism is one of the worst ideologies out there (along with intolerant religions). The western democracy is the best model the humans have invented yet. This is not to say we must not strive to improve it. But Communism/Marxism is not at all an improvement, it's an outright societal cancer. But I am seeing is the increase in criticism of US (and western democracies) by leftists and liberals. That in itself would not have been a big deal but these leftists praise Communism/Marxism.

This is a wake-up call to the people of united states who are listening too much to the unjust and undue criticism of the US govt for surveillance. Post-Snowden some leftists are taking undue advantage of the atmosphere to spread their fear mongering anti-democracy propaganda amongst US citizens.

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Post by visarga »

Reddit and YC also expose each action to voting and judging, and sum up users into karma scores. We already live in such a rating based moral system. If the reddit karma would decide a person's worth and social rights, that would be pretty dangerous. People would self censor, be less creative, and in general only act in a way that protects the score. It would turn into a kind of self policing.

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Post by li-ch »

hilop wrote: post #61
kristianov wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

With Trump and Hillary, the community on Chinese websites are increasingly disenchanted with democracy. One high-vote answer in Zhihu, or "the Chinese Quora", claims that this election cycle has been a "great educational experience for Chinese Nationalism and Marxism". You'd be surprised how popular Trump is in China, and how much they support their Government.

If Chinese love Trump, why are they disenchanted with democracy? Trump is doing great in democracy, in the #1 or #2 spot. And I'd assume they'd like Trump less if they were more knowledgeable of English and USA news.

By democracy, I think he meant hillary's brand of "democracy", which is going to win in November.
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