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Re: We ask supporters to stop taking down the US internet. You proved your point

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Post by jacquesm »

jacquesm wrote: post #81
koolba wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> So, you disagree with Lessig. You feel, if someone gets involved in any way with politics, all bets are off. They should have Grugq-grade OPSEC or expect to read about their breakups on Pastebin. Or just keep their political and personal lives separate.

Private individuals can be members of political parties and this is not something that should end up in the public domain. Really, this is about as easy to understand as it gets, in fact in many countries such party memberships and who you vote for is kept extremely secret to make sure that votes can be bought and/or to make sure that there is a place for 'unpopular' parties and candidates. It's a cornerstone of demo…

Too late to edit: substitute 'can't' for 'can' in the second sentence.

Re: We ask supporters to stop taking down the US internet. You proved your point

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Post by koolba »

jacquesm wrote: post #91
jacquesm wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Private individuals can be members of political parties and this is not something that should end up in the public domain. Really, this is about as easy to understand as it gets, in fact in many countries such party memberships and who you vote for is kept extremely secret to make sure that votes can be bought and/or to make sure that there is a place for 'unpopular' parties and candidates. It's a cornerstone of demo…

Too late to edit: substitute 'can't' for 'can' in the second sentence.

> Private individuals can be members of political parties and this is not something that should end up in the public domain. Really, this is about as easy to understand as it gets, in fact in many countries such party memberships and who you vote for is kept extremely secret to make sure that votes can't be bought and/or to make sure that there is a place for 'unpopular' parties and candidates.

> It's a cornerstone of democracy. Some countries take a much less serious approach to voter registration but especially in Turkey such lists are social dynamite and the release of those lists was absolutely uncalled for and irresponsible.

When there's a single ruling party, or two major parties in a system like the USA, the distinction between political parties and the government itself is blurred to point of being meaningless. For an even more extreme example of this see the CPC in China. They are the government, party business is government business, and vice versa. Hiding behind them being a private organization doesn't work.

Re: We ask supporters to stop taking down the US internet. You proved your point

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Post by Cozumel »

lern_too_spel wrote: post #86
emp_zealoth wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apparently nobody gives two shits of a fuck what is in those emails, no matter how unsettling their contents are. Why not keep publishing those while you destroy Wikileaks?

I think you missed that nobody gives two shits because the contents are completely pedestrian except to conspiracy theorists who come up with conspiracies out of absolutely everything. Example: http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/10/wiki-10-draft-in-pro...

Are we reading the same emails?!

Re: We ask supporters to stop taking down the US internet. You proved your point

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Post by jacquesm »

koolba wrote: post #92
jacquesm wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Too late to edit: substitute 'can't' for 'can' in the second sentence.

> Private individuals can be members of political parties and this is not something that should end up in the public domain. Really, this is about as easy to understand as it gets, in fact in many countries such party memberships and who you vote for is kept extremely secret to make sure that votes can't be bought and/or to make sure that there is a place for 'unpopular' parties and candidates. > It's a cornerstone o…

> When there's a single ruling party, or two major parties in a system like the USA, the distinction between political parties and the government itself is blurred to point of being meaningless.

That's simply nonsense. The reason you might have two major parties forever is if you start making things like registered voters public. After all, who would dare to affiliate themselves with a third openly if that would lead to an immediate risk of being labeled in all kinds of nasty ways.

If Peter Thiel isn't immune to such pressure you can bet that ordinary citizens would be a lot easier to target.

The government and the citizens of a country are two disjoint entities, even in a 'one' party (that really means 'none') state.

Party membership does not equate to being a part of the government (though the one does not rule out the other).

Re: We ask supporters to stop taking down the US internet. You proved your point

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Post by lern_too_spel »

Cozumel wrote: post #93
lern_too_spel wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think you missed that nobody gives two shits because the contents are completely pedestrian except to conspiracy theorists who come up with conspiracies out of absolutely everything. Example: http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/10/wiki-10-draft-in-pro...

Are we reading the same emails?!

You tell me. I posted examples.

Re: We ask supporters to stop taking down the US internet. You proved your point

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Post by totalZero »

jacquesm wrote: post #6

Wikileaks is apparently on a mission to destroy whatever credibility they had left. They seem to be taking a leaf out of the IS playbook here, any random attack that is moderately successful gets claimed as one of theirs. It isn't a week since they were extremely economical with the truth regarding Assange's internet access ('state actor cut off their internet' -> 'Ecuador has pulled the plug on Assange's laptop'). T…

The more erratically they act, the more attention they receive.

The more attention they receive, the more attention their email dumps receive.

Even Sean Hannity is praising them right now.

If their goal is to influence the election, then I think it's in their best interest to draw attention to themselves.

If anything, their credibility and the scope of their reach are increasing.

Re: We ask supporters to stop taking down the US internet. You proved your point

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Post by totalZero »

idlewords wrote: post #48
imron wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That data dump of personal details wasn't even released by Wikileaks: https://glomardisclosure.com/2016/07/26/the-who-and-how-of-t... I'm not sure why you (and others) are trying to hold them responsible for it.

Quoting Zeynep in that piece: “I actually never had a conclusion on who the uploader was, since it wasn’t central to my complaint about actions of Wikileaks: that they had misrepresented what the emails were, and that they had repeatedly publicized these doxing databases as “full data for our Turkey AKP emails + more”. I’m glad to see one party step up and take responsibility, but this doesn’t absolve Wikileaks of th…

Didn't she say that after she was confronted about being wrong in the first place?

From your prior link: https://glomardisclosure.com/2016/07/26/the-who-and-how-of-t...

Re: We ask supporters to stop taking down the US internet. You proved your point

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Post by totalZero »

speedplane wrote: post #32
Theodores wrote: post #9

I do find that there is something surreal about Twitter and the U.S. election, it has become a primary communication channel. We used to have 'I have a dream' speeches, nowadays it is lol txt tweets. Donald Trump's contribution to this tweet-thread is an example: "Wow! @wikileaks admits its supporters are engaged in anti-American cyber-terrorism. No wonder Wikileakes loves me so much! #ImWithPutin" Is that really fro…

Don't be too nostalgic. How much of the "I have a dream" speech can you directly recall beyond the first 140 characters? How much of our politics has been sound bites, misinformation, and trumped up ideology for the past few decades. There are villains in this age, but communication in 140 characters is not it.

Not to mention the utter cruelty that set the backdrop for the I Have a Dream speech.

We get moving speeches when issues hit so close to home that the words serve as kindling for our deeper emotions. Every speech is inextricably tied to its own context.

Malcolm X, "The Ballot or the Bullet" Ronald Reagan's Space Shuttle Challenger address LBJ, "We Shall Overcome" JFK, "Ich Bin Ein Berliner"

None of these speeches would have been as meaningful in a different time, with different events and feelings and happenings.

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