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Re: We ask supporters to stop taking down the US internet. You proved your point

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Post by stouset »

powertower wrote: post #8
jacquesm wrote: post #6

Wikileaks is apparently on a mission to destroy whatever credibility they had left. They seem to be taking a leaf out of the IS playbook here, any random attack that is moderately successful gets claimed as one of theirs. It isn't a week since they were extremely economical with the truth regarding Assange's internet access ('state actor cut off their internet' -> 'Ecuador has pulled the plug on Assange's laptop'). T…

I haven't been following this, but are you saying that Wikileaks asked for this to happen? Because what I read in the tweet pretty much says - we don't want this, please stop.

By saying "We don't want this, please stop" the implicit assertion is that it's being done on your behalf, and there's no reason at this point in time to assume it is.

Re: We ask supporters to stop taking down the US internet. You proved your point

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Post by whybroke »

Theodores wrote: post #9

I do find that there is something surreal about Twitter and the U.S. election, it has become a primary communication channel. We used to have 'I have a dream' speeches, nowadays it is lol txt tweets. Donald Trump's contribution to this tweet-thread is an example: "Wow! @wikileaks admits its supporters are engaged in anti-American cyber-terrorism. No wonder Wikileakes loves me so much! #ImWithPutin" Is that really fro…

Prediction: There will come a time in the not so distant future when even 140 characters will be beyond the alt-right's attention span.

Re: We ask supporters to stop taking down the US internet. You proved your point

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Post by fjarlq »

Theodores wrote: post #9

I do find that there is something surreal about Twitter and the U.S. election, it has become a primary communication channel. We used to have 'I have a dream' speeches, nowadays it is lol txt tweets. Donald Trump's contribution to this tweet-thread is an example: "Wow! @wikileaks admits its supporters are engaged in anti-American cyber-terrorism. No wonder Wikileakes loves me so much! #ImWithPutin" Is that really fro…

That's a parody account.

Re: We ask supporters to stop taking down the US internet. You proved your point

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Post by Gargoyle »

dandare wrote: post #7
jacquesm wrote: post #6

Wikileaks is apparently on a mission to destroy whatever credibility they had left. They seem to be taking a leaf out of the IS playbook here, any random attack that is moderately successful gets claimed as one of theirs. It isn't a week since they were extremely economical with the truth regarding Assange's internet access ('state actor cut off their internet' -> 'Ecuador has pulled the plug on Assange's laptop'). T…

I absolutely agree. What Wikileaks did for peace and democracy cannot be disputed but I could not say I am their supporter any more. I wonder how much of it is Assange's personality and questionable political views and how much is of it is campaign orchestrated by almost all-powerful secret services but it probably doesn't even matter at this point.

So you'd be fine with Wikileaks being shut down at this point?

Re: We ask supporters to stop taking down the US internet. You proved your point

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Post by solipsism »

Gargoyle wrote: post #14
dandare wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I absolutely agree. What Wikileaks did for peace and democracy cannot be disputed but I could not say I am their supporter any more. I wonder how much of it is Assange's personality and questionable political views and how much is of it is campaign orchestrated by almost all-powerful secret services but it probably doesn't even matter at this point.

So you'd be fine with Wikileaks being shut down at this point?

How important are they really? If they aren't trustworthy -- and I think there's a great case to be made for the fact that Assange is not -- what can wikileaks do that some other website can't?

Re: We ask supporters to stop taking down the US internet. You proved your point

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Post by orthoganol »

Fyi at this point there is speculation that something has happened with WikiLeaks, including Assange, who has not been seen for a week now since the early morning events at the Embassy (when his Internet was cut). Their subreddit has had their share of panic threads. Take this with a grain a salt, and I won't link to 4chan where this was first pointed out, but the last two days of tweets have also included typos/ missing letters that come close to spelling out "help him," overall to a small p-value.

Re: We ask supporters to stop taking down the US internet. You proved your point

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Post by Gargoyle »

solipsism wrote: post #15
Gargoyle wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So you'd be fine with Wikileaks being shut down at this point?

How important are they really? If they aren't trustworthy -- and I think there's a great case to be made for the fact that Assange is not -- what can wikileaks do that some other website can't?

In what way are the wikileaks releases -- Not Assange, not their Twitter, but wikileaks releases -- not trustworthy?

Are any of the releases discredited?

Re: We ask supporters to stop taking down the US internet. You proved your point

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Post by jacquesm »

Gargoyle wrote: post #14
dandare wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I absolutely agree. What Wikileaks did for peace and democracy cannot be disputed but I could not say I am their supporter any more. I wonder how much of it is Assange's personality and questionable political views and how much is of it is campaign orchestrated by almost all-powerful secret services but it probably doesn't even matter at this point.

So you'd be fine with Wikileaks being shut down at this point?

Wikileaks only coin was trust, they've lost that as far as I can see therefore their time of usefulness is more or less over. I really don't see how they will regain it at this point, sometimes a fresh start is better.

Re: We ask supporters to stop taking down the US internet. You proved your point

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Post by anondon »

solipsism wrote: post #15
Gargoyle wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So you'd be fine with Wikileaks being shut down at this point?

How important are they really? If they aren't trustworthy -- and I think there's a great case to be made for the fact that Assange is not -- what can wikileaks do that some other website can't?

> what can wikileaks do that some other website can't?

No fear of going against the establishment. How many websites that you know of reveal such classified information and get wide press coverage for the same?

I don't fully understand Assange's political motivations, but the world is definitely better off with Wikileaks than without.

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