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It’s official: Venezuela is a dictatorship

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Re: It’s official: Venezuela is a dictatorship

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post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hopefully in the same place as the worldwide right-wing intelligentsia that so actively supported death squads in central America just a few years prior to Chavismo.

Who is this right wing intelligentsia that supported death squads?

The entire American foreign policy establishment of the 1980s.

Re: It’s official: Venezuela is a dictatorship

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post #15

Where is the worldwide leftist intelligentsia that supported this totalitarian regime from the beginning with wet dreams of "21st century socialism"? They are all quiet now and will surely soon claim that things went wrong there and misrepresent the original intents of the "revolution". It's time to recognize that, once again, socialism resulted in the same results that it has always achieved: hunger, death, lost fre…

Hopefully in the same place as the worldwide right-wing intelligentsia that so actively supported death squads in central America just a few years prior to Chavismo.

Difference is, right wing governments seem to recover much more easily than left wing ones.

Chile, South Korea, Singapore, Taiwan, they all had people who got "disappeared" but all their citizens are currently fed, which means it's fairly possible to switch out of that mindset somehow.

The only left wing country I can think of that led its economy to recovery is China. Other than that, Venezuela, DPRK, Argentina, and Brazil don't seem to be doing so well.

Re: It’s official: Venezuela is a dictatorship

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post #9

A country with one of the greatest oil reserves in the world, fertile land, good climate, access to the sea (world trade) and no military conflicts for a century was turned into a population of homeless people hunting dogs and cats on the streets in order to not starve to death - only possible with Socialism. I remember how ten years ago people on my university (in a Western country) were trying to convince me that C…

Now you guys get to see what Chile would have turned into if it hadn't been for a certain general. Maybe after 50 years of poverty, famine and secret police your country will get back to where it started.

You're being vague here, so I can't be sure what you're implying, but if you're suggesting that Pinochet was a positive thing for Chile, that's a nightmarish thing for anyone to sign their name to. What am I missing?

Re: It’s official: Venezuela is a dictatorship

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post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

More like "Dude and the whole leftist intellectual elite are wrong on the Internet, will never acknowledge being wrong and will be wrong again the next time the same thing happens. News at 11."

How seriously am I supposed to take someone who implies that the leader of a "leftist intellectual elite" (whatever that is) is Michael Moore ?

Where did OP imply that MM was the leader of the leftist intellectual elite?

Re: It’s official: Venezuela is a dictatorship

#35
post #18

Unrestrained equality leads to dictatorship. Unrestrained liberty leads to dictatorship. Democracy requires a balance between equality and liberty, and the political pluralism that is inherent in the vying for power. Partisan fanatics who breathlessly wait for the total victory of their side would do well to remember this.

I strongly doubt that liberty & equality (before law) lead to dictatorship. Unless you mean liberty that goes as far as harming others. But that would infringe on other people's liberty.

There's something to be said for the statement of "the tyranny of democracy."

Put more power into the hands of the common people and you end up with someone like Trump as a nominee.

Don't you think in a weaker country with more classism like Venezuela, that if a Trump were elected, that you'd end up with something like this?

Re: It’s official: Venezuela is a dictatorship

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post #9

A country with one of the greatest oil reserves in the world, fertile land, good climate, access to the sea (world trade) and no military conflicts for a century was turned into a population of homeless people hunting dogs and cats on the streets in order to not starve to death - only possible with Socialism. I remember how ten years ago people on my university (in a Western country) were trying to convince me that C…

> a population of homeless people hunting dogs and cats on the streets in order to not starve to death - only possible with Socialism. Or the United States in the early 20th Century. Grapes of Wrath and all that.

The United States was an extremely wealthy country with exceptional freedom up until the Great Depression. And this was only a short episode in US history.

Re: It’s official: Venezuela is a dictatorship

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post #9

A country with one of the greatest oil reserves in the world, fertile land, good climate, access to the sea (world trade) and no military conflicts for a century was turned into a population of homeless people hunting dogs and cats on the streets in order to not starve to death - only possible with Socialism. I remember how ten years ago people on my university (in a Western country) were trying to convince me that C…

> a population of homeless people hunting dogs and cats on the streets in order to not starve to death - only possible with Socialism. Or the United States in the early 20th Century. Grapes of Wrath and all that.

And that was because of severe economic privations. Venezuela doesn't have anything to blame. Sure the price of oil has dropped, but as the previous poster said, they have fertile land and a long coast.

Re: It’s official: Venezuela is a dictatorship

#38
post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

More like "Dude and the whole leftist intellectual elite are wrong on the Internet, will never acknowledge being wrong and will be wrong again the next time the same thing happens. News at 11."

How seriously am I supposed to take someone who implies that the leader of a "leftist intellectual elite" (whatever that is) is Michael Moore ?

I have never implied that.

Re: It’s official: Venezuela is a dictatorship

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post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hopefully in the same place as the worldwide right-wing intelligentsia that so actively supported death squads in central America just a few years prior to Chavismo.

Difference is, right wing governments seem to recover much more easily than left wing ones. Chile, South Korea, Singapore, Taiwan, they all had people who got "disappeared" but all their citizens are currently fed, which means it's fairly possible to switch out of that mindset somehow. The only left wing country I can think of that led its economy to recovery is China. Other than that, Venezuela, DPRK, Argentina, and…

This is just sophistry. The true problem with the parent comment is not that it's unaware of the right wing's role in political violence, but that it's seizing on a word ("socialism") that it doesn't bother to define --- and the word means different things in practically every place it's used.

Re: It’s official: Venezuela is a dictatorship

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post #9

A country with one of the greatest oil reserves in the world, fertile land, good climate, access to the sea (world trade) and no military conflicts for a century was turned into a population of homeless people hunting dogs and cats on the streets in order to not starve to death - only possible with Socialism. I remember how ten years ago people on my university (in a Western country) were trying to convince me that C…

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