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Re: DDoS Attack Against Dyn Managed DNS

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A shame OpenDNS used to redirect me to some spam webpage every time I tried to resolve a domain that didn't exist--they earned a spot on my black list forever. :(

It's been years since we did that, and they were not spam pages, and easily able to opt-out.

Well, the fact that people still remember goes to show what a truly terrible idea it really was and that it probably did permanent damage to your brand.

Re: DDoS Attack Against Dyn Managed DNS

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Journalist and security researcher Brian Krebs believes this is someone doing a DDoS as payback for research into questionable "DDoS mitigation services" that he and Dyn's Doug Madory did. Doug just presented his results yesterday at NANOG and Krebs believes this is payback. Read more: https://krebsonsecurity.com/2016/10/ddos-on-dyn-impacts-twit...

If so that's a quick turnaround.

Re: DDoS Attack Against Dyn Managed DNS

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I had several, sporadic 'secure connection could not be established' yesterday while trying to open HN, amongst others. Painfully slow page load times across the board, too(Craigslist, Monoprice,weather.gov, etc) Still may be my buggy phone SIM...

wait, buggy phone sims is a thing?

Sorta. When I changed phones I cut my micro SIM down to nano size. Cut a wee bit too much off and it now can slide off contacts if jarred... gotta get a new SIM.

Re: DDoS Attack Against Dyn Managed DNS

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Relevant (or at least a-propos) post by Bruce Schneier, from a month ago: "Someone Is Learning How to Take Down the Internet" https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2016/09/someone_is_le... Edit: And to be clear: I don't mean to imply there's any connection :)

Let's try to put this DDoS attack in some context aside from the technical part. As @scrollaway mentioned, 6 weeks ago, Bruce Schneier posted that several companies told him that they're detecting attempts to probe their networks and find ways to bring it down https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2016/09/someone_is_le... Now let's look at the progress of events: - Hillary Clinton's personal email server was hacked…

> - Finland (yes, Finland) is increasingly worried about Russia. They violated their air space, and they're questioning Finland's independence. Finland shares a long boarder with Russia.

Finland isn't worried, they have had stable relations for half a century as both sides agreed to not mess with each other. They have even refused to join NATO because it is actually safer for Finland and vice versa.

Cowboys with missiles stationed on Russia's border making hyperbole statements (like you do) - now that would be a real threat. (the same was also true the other way around with the Soviets stationing missiles in Cuba)

Re: DDoS Attack Against Dyn Managed DNS

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It's been years since we did that, and they were not spam pages, and easily able to opt-out.

Well, the fact that people still remember goes to show what a truly terrible idea it really was and that it probably did permanent damage to your brand.

I used OpenDNS for a long time. I eventually switched to Google DNS mostly because its IPs are shorter and easier to remember, and I didn't use any of the power user features for OpenDNS. I remember the page full of ads and to be honest I don't begrudge it. We all expect everything given to us for free these days, and then we don't even want the company to make money showing us an ad on the rare occasion that we mistype a URL. It's hard to get paid these days.

Ironically, those unrealistic expectations are probably a significant factor in the growth of data mining and resell; how else is a free-to-use website that doesn't have any ads (or whose users mostly block ads) going to get paid? You may say "not my problem", but it affects you when you leave the company no option but to resell data on the behaviors they observe from you.

Re: DDoS Attack Against Dyn Managed DNS

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Try Akamai managed CDN content. 20 seconds !!

The 20 seconds with Akamai is because of their dynamic end user IP mapping technology, Basically they need to map in near real-time based on characteristics of the end user IP, they can't afford a long TTL

It's not illegal to have TTL that short but it certainly feels like violation of some implicit contract between users and provides. Of course the root cause of this is the horrendous hack of using DNS for CDN routing. It doesn't have to be that way... I wrote a recent article about this very issue here

http://www.infoworld.com/article/3133104/mobile-technology/w...

Re: DDoS Attack Against Dyn Managed DNS

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Journalist and security researcher Brian Krebs believes this is someone doing a DDoS as payback for research into questionable "DDoS mitigation services" that he and Dyn's Doug Madory did. Doug just presented his results yesterday at NANOG and Krebs believes this is payback. Read more: https://krebsonsecurity.com/2016/10/ddos-on-dyn-impacts-twit...

If so that's a quick turnaround.

Well, Krebs sees this as an extension of the attacks that took down his site a few weeks ago after he wrote about this research. So he wrote about it, attackers take down his site. His co-author Doug Madory speaks about it, attackers take down Madory's employer's site.

Krebs indicates in an update at the end that a source had heard rumors in criminal channels that an attack against Dyn was being planned.

Doug Madory's presentation was on the agenda for NANOG and so attackers would have had plenty of time to know about it.

Re: DDoS Attack Against Dyn Managed DNS

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The attack is on the DNS servers, which take names like www.github.com and resolve them to ip addresses (i.e. 192.30.253.112 for me). Their status page is status.github.com - it is on the same domain name (github.com) as the rest of the site. Normally this isn't a problem because availability is usually something going on with a server, not DNS. In this case, the servers (DNS server under attack at Dyn) that knows ho…

Right, this was my point. Hosting "status.domain.com" doesn't help much when it's "domain.com" that's having the problem. I think today's event will make a lot of companies consider this a bit more.

Hiiiinnnnndsiighhhttttt!!!!! Yeaaaahhhhyeahh!

Anyway, for them to take the github.com nameservers out of the mix they would need a completely separate domain name; would you know to look there?

You can delegate subdomains to other providers, but the NS records are still present in the servers listed in the registrar. So, you'd already need multiple DNS providers.. And you wouldn't have been down. Just sayin. I'm not sure anyone rated a DNS provider of this status getting hit this hard or completely as high enough risk to go through the trouble.

It's easy enough to look at a system and point out all the things you depend on as being a risk. The harder part is deciding which risks are high enough priority to address instead of all the other work to be done.

Re: DDoS Attack Against Dyn Managed DNS

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There's a bit of exquisite irony in the fact that just yesterday an article on the Dyn blog was:

Recent IoT-based Attacks: What Is the Impact On Managed DNS Operators? - http://hub.dyn.com/traffic-management/recent-iot-based-attac...

It's a good piece about how IoT-based DDoS attacks are carried out. And now Dyn has the answer...

HN thread about that article at: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12764650

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