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Bryan Johnson invests $100M in Kernel to unlock the power of the human brain

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Re: Bryan Johnson invests $100M in Kernel to unlock the power of the human brain

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post #19

I'd read somewhere that the workings of our brains are just too complex for us to understand, or rather, we are just too good to understand it thoroughly to "unlock the powers". You see, if the brain was simple enough for us to understand its workings, we would not be even capable of understanding the basics of the nervous system functioning (we would have been just too dumb with such simple brains!), and therein lie…

...what?

rms_returns is saying that our own intelligence and ability to comprehend things is a function of the complexity of our brains.

So, low complexity results in under-performing intelligent ability. On the other hand, high complexity results in a higher performing brain but more difficult to understand.

I wouldn't necessarily agree with this argument because I suspect intelligent ability is only partially related to neural architecture. Additionally, the ability to perceive things lies in having some kind of framework in which a question can be formed.

Re: Bryan Johnson invests $100M in Kernel to unlock the power of the human brain

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oh no. The guy behind my favorite company on bootstrapping page got rich selling it to a top schemer in payments industry and fell for others' bullshit that throwing money at neuroscience will make miracles happen. Wow. What an ending...

Throwing money at neuroscience hasn't been so bad, has it?

The link from bra-ket...

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/why-the-human-bra...

...illustrates the problem well. Here's a nice quote:

"Although researchers worldwide were publishing tens of thousands of neuroscience studies every year, neither our understanding of basic brain functions nor our ability to treat brain disorders seemed to be progressing much. "

It's mostly been a failure. The successes have been very, very limited from what I've read. I'm a non-expert that follows generalist scientific publications that report on breakthroughs and interesting products. So, maybe I've missed all the amazing things neuroscience is doing for people's health outside actual surgeries. I just figure spectacular results coming from all the grants and private investment would've made it into things I read. Rarely anything does past "Hmm. That study had some interesting results that might go somewhere some time with a lot more work." Followed by others that seem to contradict it or at least make me wonder.

I remember recently there was an article showing renewed interests in glial cells since they might be more critical to brain function than previously thought. Imagine that. All this research and money thrown at it since the beginning of the field operated on the assumption that they weren't significant. There were others I saw about neural communication in previous years that overturned prior beliefs. One can wonder what new fundamentals we'll learn in this next decade that will challenge our prior beliefs.

Introducing technology that improves how something functions usually needs accurate knowledge about how that something fundamentally works. Investments like Johnson's bet that results will be achieved without that knowledge or even with incorrect knowledge. Kind of like old gold rushes where people bet there'd be gold all over the place in certain areas without even prospecting them first. That's the feeling I get looking at neural ventures.

Note: We had them in the past, too. Implants to control or expand the mind, cause hallucinations, effortlessly give you lucid dreams, and so on. Enough interesting stuff happened that some tactical accomplishments might come from just throwing money at random stuff. Yet, all the interesting stuff of past and present still hasn't given a non-drug guarantee on things as basic as insomnia, depression, or ADD. All failure so far in big picture.

Re: Bryan Johnson invests $100M in Kernel to unlock the power of the human brain

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post #4

I googled a bit. The background is quite interesting. Johnson founded and sold Braintree which is where the money came from. The main brain tech guy is Theodore Berger who has tested implants in rats, monkeys and humans with some success http://singularityhub.com/2015/11/15/first-human-tests-of-me... Berger on video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bHubR09oKKE

Oh no. The guy behind my favorite company on bootstrapping page got rich selling it to a top schemer in payments industry and fell for others' bullshit that throwing money at neuroscience will make miracles happen. Wow. What an ending...

A guy bootstrapped a company and got rich doing it: the best possible inspiration to future bootstrappers, but you find that a bad thing? What's your problem with someone spending his own money to chase something you think is impossible? Seriously, the amount of hate on HN for people that are actually trying to do hard things is astonishing.

Re: Bryan Johnson invests $100M in Kernel to unlock the power of the human brain

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Throwing money at neuroscience hasn't been so bad, has it?

The link from bra-ket... https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/why-the-human-bra... ...illustrates the problem well. Here's a nice quote: "Although researchers worldwide were publishing tens of thousands of neuroscience studies every year, neither our understanding of basic brain functions nor our ability to treat brain disorders seemed to be progressing much. " It's mostly been a failure. The successes have bee…

So we should just quit. Do you actually find the best way to get hard things done to be quitting because others failed?

Re: Bryan Johnson invests $100M in Kernel to unlock the power of the human brain

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post #2

“We can program yeast to do a specific function. We can expect the same path with neural code.” Ummm... that's quite a big leap!

Oddly enough, the applicable quote is from The Martian:

"We built a lunar lander from scratch in seven years."

Hard things get done by people who try to do them. Seriously, it's his own money.

Re: Bryan Johnson invests $100M in Kernel to unlock the power of the human brain

#36

What's with all the negativity on the comments here? Are all moonshots doomed after Theranos? Or may be there's already solid proof that this is the next Theranos? I'm a very skeptical and pessimistic man, but can we extend at least some benefit of a doubt here, please.

It's astonishing, given that we're all communicating via a technology that would essentially be considered magic as little as 50 years ago.

Re: Bryan Johnson invests $100M in Kernel to unlock the power of the human brain

#37
Trying and failing is better than not trying. Its his $100m and he earned the right to take a shot at this.

I have watched Bryan talk before and have been following him. He is determined enough to at least make a significant contribution in this area.

Re: Bryan Johnson invests $100M in Kernel to unlock the power of the human brain

#38
The negativity in these comments is astounding.

Here's someone who's investing his own hard-earned money into a "device aimed at reducing cognitive deficiencies for sufferers of conditions like Alzheimer’s and dementia." And all anyone can do is complain that it's infeasible or that he's unqualified. I don't know about you, but I want more people working on these problems, not less.

Seems very reminiscent of when Musk was starting SpaceX and everyone assumed he didn't know anything about the domain and would automatically fail.

Re: Bryan Johnson invests $100M in Kernel to unlock the power of the human brain

#39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Throwing money at neuroscience hasn't been so bad, has it?

The link from bra-ket... https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/why-the-human-bra... ...illustrates the problem well. Here's a nice quote: "Although researchers worldwide were publishing tens of thousands of neuroscience studies every year, neither our understanding of basic brain functions nor our ability to treat brain disorders seemed to be progressing much. " It's mostly been a failure. The successes have bee…

There has been some success with things like cochlear and retinal implants. The approach Johnson and Berger appear to be taking doesn't seem so far removed from that.

Re: Bryan Johnson invests $100M in Kernel to unlock the power of the human brain

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oh no. The guy behind my favorite company on bootstrapping page got rich selling it to a top schemer in payments industry and fell for others' bullshit that throwing money at neuroscience will make miracles happen. Wow. What an ending...

A guy bootstrapped a company and got rich doing it: the best possible inspiration to future bootstrappers, but you find that a bad thing? What's your problem with someone spending his own money to chase something you think is impossible? Seriously, the amount of hate on HN for people that are actually trying to do hard things is astonishing.

"A guy bootstrapped a company and got rich doing it: the best possible inspiration to future bootstrappers"

Oh no. That's one possible inspiration. Another would be Braintree IPOing or continuing as a company providing an alternative to Paypal's BS I constantly read about while guy continues to make tons of money or get rich. Then he invests in hard problems we're likely to solve where we have the necessary foundation to begin to achieve the stated goals.

Instead, he got rich selling off his good company and now has money to blow on stuff like this. Good for him. Still inspirational with Braintree's early work still something I'm going to cite. Just still worth critiquing for where it went or is going wrong so next bootstrapper considers better alternatives.

Also, realize the irony that you don't like us criticizing what he did with Braintree or where the money is going while Braintree itself owed its success to correct criticism of how successful payment companies were doing things & where their investments were going. He pointed out the problems, showed a better way via his offering, and now we're talking about him instead of them. ;)

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