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Google Has Dropped Ban on Personally Identifiable Web Tracking

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Re: Google Has Dropped Ban on Personally Identifiable Web Tracking

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No Googler will come and tell you that since "Don't be evil" are literally the first 3 words of the published Google code of conduct: https://abc.xyz/investor/other/google-code-of-conduct.html I'm not sure why you think this has changed.

> I'm not sure why you think this has changed. Actions speak louder than words.

Privacy is evil?

Re: Google Has Dropped Ban on Personally Identifiable Web Tracking

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I'm curious what bothers people most about the privacy issues? Strangely I don't care that Google (and others) know about me. I probably should but I have just sorted have accepted the lack of privacy today. What really bothers me isn't the privacy its them using that data to create a completely unfair advantage to continue the oligopoly that is quickly consuming all markets. I used to be such a capitalist but as of…

The other examples in this thread are useful, but here is another:

Google wants to serve you "effective ads". What does that mean?

It wants to serve you ads that you see and take some new action or think something you didn't before. In other words, Google wants to manipulate you to do things you otherwise wouldn't do.

It is very much in Google's interest that you spend money with its advertisers, think things its advertisers want you to think, and do things that its advertisers want you to do, and in such a way that you don't realize you are doing it.

Do you want to make them better at that?

Re: Google Has Dropped Ban on Personally Identifiable Web Tracking

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post #83

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I admire your dedication and would be interested in hearing more about your experiment in the future. Maybe some kind of update in the future here on HN?

Thanks for the kind words. I was with a group of developers in person last night and mentioned this plan casually and was amazed by how many questions everyone had. I'm start to feel like this disconnect is, paradoxically, going to result in me spending more time on social media talking about and setting up meetup groups with like minded people. I don't want to bury my head in the sand, and I'm not a Luddite – I just…

Sharing your experience is a great idea. But I can see your concern with blogging it. Maybe just write in a physical notebook instead?

Re: Google Has Dropped Ban on Personally Identifiable Web Tracking

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post #46

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This isn't a neat split along the lines of "All developers good, all marketers bad". What has won here is the pressure to grow, and the acceptance of society and governments to let them do it by any means. We are all complicit in this.

True, it's time to make a change and start educating family and friends about this issue and the alternatives. I always believed Google was successful because it was pushed and advocated for by geeks, I feel that those days are coming to an end. I use DDG and I think it's a pretty solid alternative, although it requires a little more effort when looking for certain things. Non-tech types have been curious about why I…

Happy to say I have switched as well and happy to say it works well as well (ok, sometimes with liberal use of the + and "" operators and once in a while a !g, but overall very usable).

Re: Google Has Dropped Ban on Personally Identifiable Web Tracking

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Earlier: We will not combine DoubleClick cookie information with your personally identifiable information unless we have your opt-in consent. Now: Depending on your account settings, your activity on other sites and apps may be associated with your personal information in order to improve Google's services and the ads delivered by Google. So opt-in becomes opt-out.

To opt out, or "Pause" as Google is tellingly calling it, from the article: To opt-out of Google’s identified tracking, visit the Activity controls[1] on Google’s My Account page, and uncheck the box next to “Include Chrome browsing history and activity from websites and apps that use Google services." You can also delete past activity from your account. [1] https://myaccount.google.com/activitycontrols

I turned everything off years ago. Still off today.

Re: Google Has Dropped Ban on Personally Identifiable Web Tracking

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I'm curious what bothers people most about the privacy issues? Strangely I don't care that Google (and others) know about me. I probably should but I have just sorted have accepted the lack of privacy today. What really bothers me isn't the privacy its them using that data to create a completely unfair advantage to continue the oligopoly that is quickly consuming all markets. I used to be such a capitalist but as of…

This data stays forever. It will be there in decades. What if Google tags someone as homosexual and in 50 years, we get a new extremist party that claims that information for a genocide? Google knows a LOT about you. Your weird porn fetishes, your political affiliations, your religion, your beliefs. Your friends, family and THEIR political affiliations. It sounds impossible but it's not. Take a look at 1960’s Afghani…

A good recent example of this is LiveJournal. LJ was bought by a Russian company shortly before the Russian government decided to go all-in on homophobia.

Neither possibility seemed remotely likely during the salad days of LiveJournal in the early 2000's.

Re: Google Has Dropped Ban on Personally Identifiable Web Tracking

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Isn't Google moving aggressively to fingerprint-based browser tracking instead of cookies?

Possibly, but even right now when you open Chrome (non-incognito) you immediately get three google analytics cookies set, which are picked up by any website using google analytics (i.e. almost every website). If you put this together with the fact that Chrome knows about Google Account sessions, you conclude that Google is already keeping track of everything that you, as an individual, does online and has been for ma…

I was thinking of the non-logged-in Google accounts with ad blocker case not being privacy protecting any more.

Re: Google Has Dropped Ban on Personally Identifiable Web Tracking

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I'd just like to draw people's attention to a little bit of conflict-of-interest research some Stanford University researchers published a few years ago: Currently, the predominant business model for commercial search engines is advertising. The goals of the advertising business model do not always correspond to providing quality search to users. For example, in our prototype search engine one of the top results for…

This really is an important point. Somehow in this new age of technology companies we have forgotten that corporations, in the long run, will always converge on what is most profitable, regardless of the values of their founding team, who will eventually retire or have their influence diminished. For that reason, I always pay more attention to a company's incentives than I do what they say about values. If a company…

Someday someone should write a modern Faust based on Brin and Page.

Yes. Incentives matter. Google thought they could ride the tiger. The tiger's riding them.

Re: Google Has Dropped Ban on Personally Identifiable Web Tracking

#189

I'm curious what bothers people most about the privacy issues? Strangely I don't care that Google (and others) know about me. I probably should but I have just sorted have accepted the lack of privacy today. What really bothers me isn't the privacy its them using that data to create a completely unfair advantage to continue the oligopoly that is quickly consuming all markets. I used to be such a capitalist but as of…

Yes, I'd like to see some good (not-too-hypothetical) examples of the bad things that could happen to a person because of privacy invasion. Perhaps in the accessible form of a movie (so it can spread more easily). Any references welcome.

Re: Google Has Dropped Ban on Personally Identifiable Web Tracking

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The free market fallacy.

I'm starting to hate the word "fallacy". What's the free market fallacy? The idea that not everything that's driven by free market is great? Why call that a fallacy, why not just call it being wrong?

A fallacy is really any argument that is wrong because of wrong assumptions or faulty logic, but leads to a believable result anyway. The free market fallacy is a fallacy because people who believe the free market solves problems base this claim on the assumption that human beings are rational and have access to all information.
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