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Re: DDoS Attack Against Dyn Managed DNS

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I can't currently get resolution on www.paypal.com. $ dig @8.8.8.8 www.paypal.com ; > DiG 9.8.1-P1 > @8.8.8.8 www.paypal.com ; (1 server found) ;; global options: +cmd ;; Got answer: ;; ->>HEADER ;; QUESTION SECTION: ;www.paypal.com. IN A ;; Query time: 29 msec ;; SERVER: 8.8.8.8#53(8.8.8.8) ;; WHEN: Fri Oct 21 12:35:33 2016 ;; MSG SIZE rcvd: 32

Chiming in as a TWC user on the West Coast:

Github out, Etsy out, Paypal out, Twitter out, Soundcloud out, Crunchbase out, Heroku out, Spotify intermittent, Netflix only loads a white page with plaintext "who's watching" list and no functionality.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Prediction: A massive, sustained attack will occur on key US Internet infra on election night in an attempt to debase the US election results.

This is terrifying. Thankfully I don't think much actual voting infra is network reliant. But it could probably delay the results from being finalized for days, and allow Trump to spew further allegations of rigging. Though if they targeted electric grid, water, and public transport, starting early in the day and choosing the regions by their populations political leaning, it could easily have an effect on the result…

I think you're right, not much of the voting infra is network reliant, but the more I think about it the more it seems that the "fear" factor of such outages could influence the election. Or, perhaps a curated working set of information sources, thanks to selective DDoS. Regardless, terrifying to be sure.

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They should do it once a year and call it Friday without Internet Day.

Better yet, have one day a year that is "Red Team Day" where people hunt for vulnerabilities so that assessments can be done, and companies can later fix any issues noted. Like how earlier this week there was a statewide earthquake drill in California, local emergency sirens were sounded, schoolkids practiced hiding under desks, etc. The Internet needs periodic tests like that too.

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Out of curiosity, why do caching DNS resolvers, such as the DNS resolver I run on my home network, not provide an option to retain last-known-good resolutions beyond the authority-provided time to live? In such a configuration, after the TTL expiration, the resolver would attempt to refresh from the authority/upstream provider, but if that attempt fails, the response would be a more graceful failure of returning a la…

All will break the moment that one of the websites that you access makes a server-side request to another website ( think about logging-services, server-clusters, database servers, etc - they all either have IPs or most-likely some domains. )

Re: DDoS Attack Against Dyn Managed DNS

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Relevant (or at least a-propos) post by Bruce Schneier, from a month ago: "Someone Is Learning How to Take Down the Internet" https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2016/09/someone_is_le... Edit: And to be clear: I don't mean to imply there's any connection :)

Prediction: A massive, sustained attack will occur on key US Internet infra on election night in an attempt to debase the US election results.

Assuming you're referring specifically to targeting media companies reporting on the results and not the electric grid like someone else mentioned, wouldn't they have to DDoS Google itself for that to work? I don't really see a DDoS of Google being effective.

Re: DDoS Attack Against Dyn Managed DNS

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According to Fortune, Hacker News "reported" on the incident. Are we journalists now? "Popular tech site Hacker News reported many other sites were affected including Etsy, Spotify, Github, Soundcloud, and Heroku." -- http://fortune.com/2016/10/21/internet-outages/

Perhaps they're confusing Hacker News with thehackernews.com.

Re: DDoS Attack Against Dyn Managed DNS

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is terrifying. Thankfully I don't think much actual voting infra is network reliant. But it could probably delay the results from being finalized for days, and allow Trump to spew further allegations of rigging. Though if they targeted electric grid, water, and public transport, starting early in the day and choosing the regions by their populations political leaning, it could easily have an effect on the result…

You don't need to target voting infrastructure. You target media infrastructure (DNS, streaming, web media) in order to either reduce or shift voter turnout. A candidate ahead in a battleground state? You stomp on media reporting to ensure their opponent's voters aren't dissuaded from heading to the polls. Control the message, and through that the actual votes cast.

Given various fuckups over the years, media won't call a state until the polls are completely closed. Silencing them doesn't change this strategy.

Re: DDoS Attack Against Dyn Managed DNS

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are many types of actors even within the USA nation-state / government. For example, if a particular part of the government got wind of a data dump about to be released by another nation-state or independent actor (for example, a leak of some kind) - I think some parts of the USA government that possesses the ability to do so wouldn't hesitate to take down dns to the entire internet to avoid another similar dat…

> wouldn't hesitate to take down dns to the entire internet to avoid another similar data leak to the Snowden dump. I don't understand how this would change anything unless you're assuming they would take down the Internet permanently

Or they could take it down for enough time for other parts of the government and/or international diplomatic system to do their work.

Remember, a data leak is not just a technical issue. They can resolve it in any number of ways - get a small team incursion into another state's territory for extraction, etc. All the outage needs to do is to hold open that window for enough time for all the different parts of the entire threat response chain to do each part's job.

A lot of technical people think tech is the end, but no - if you get a small team to go knock on the person's door, and get your internet response team to shut down dns, or to get someone on site at the telco to perform certain actions at the router/switch level, etc all portions working together is a powerful way to resolve or to accomplish certain goals.

Think bigger, especially with state actors - the resources are there, and this line of thought is probably really basic stuff that people came up with in the 1960's or 70's (even when the arpanet was being created, there was probably already a team tasked with taking such actions - it only make sense to have 2 teams working on such goals in tandem - one to create the network, the other to take it down)

Re: DDoS Attack Against Dyn Managed DNS

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I can't currently get resolution on www.paypal.com. $ dig @8.8.8.8 www.paypal.com ; > DiG 9.8.1-P1 > @8.8.8.8 www.paypal.com ; (1 server found) ;; global options: +cmd ;; Got answer: ;; ->>HEADER ;; QUESTION SECTION: ;www.paypal.com. IN A ;; Query time: 29 msec ;; SERVER: 8.8.8.8#53(8.8.8.8) ;; WHEN: Fri Oct 21 12:35:33 2016 ;; MSG SIZE rcvd: 32

I'm in New-York too and can't resolve Paypal, Etsy, Soundcloud, Github, Netflix, Heroku or Twitter

I'm in NYC too. Github.com is resolving/working fine. Netflix.com is resolved but all assets (probably) weren't loading. Additionally Zendesk is also affected.
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