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Google Has Dropped Ban on Personally Identifiable Web Tracking

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Re: Google Has Dropped Ban on Personally Identifiable Web Tracking

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I'm curious what bothers people most about the privacy issues?

Strangely I don't care that Google (and others) know about me. I probably should but I have just sorted have accepted the lack of privacy today.

What really bothers me isn't the privacy its them using that data to create a completely unfair advantage to continue the oligopoly that is quickly consuming all markets.

I used to be such a capitalist but as of the last few years watching what companies will continue to do to not just grow but grow exponentially with unfair and unethical leverage in every direction.

I'm curious if others share that feeling or is that just me. Or is it just invasion of privacy?

Re: Google Has Dropped Ban on Personally Identifiable Web Tracking

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Looking at the My Activity details is actually pretty creepy. Starting today working backwards, Google includes "Used Phone," "Used [my launcher]," "contacted [messaging site]," "Used [alarm clock app]," several overnight repeats of the messaging site when I received alerts, my Chrome-based website visits from yesterday, my foray into Android Settings yesterday, etc. It all serves to make me happy that I'm using Fire…

Using firefox? Did you tick "Send analysis data to Mozilla"? If yes, Mozilla has the very same information about your browsing habits and all clicks and actions you performed in Firefox too. It's just that Google shows it to you, rather than not telling you anything. Any sufficiently big Android/iOS app has the very same system in place so that they can see what people are doing with their app and anticipate interest…

The difference is I trust Mozilla and I absolutely do not trust Google. Mozilla is not in the business of abusing my private data for their profit. If they say they are only using that data for debugging, I believe them.

Re: Google Has Dropped Ban on Personally Identifiable Web Tracking

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

No Googler will come and tell you that since "Don't be evil" are literally the first 3 words of the published Google code of conduct: https://abc.xyz/investor/other/google-code-of-conduct.html I'm not sure why you think this has changed.

> I'm not sure why you think this has changed. Actions speak louder than words.

Is "Don't be evil" something that really needs to be said anyway? Couldn't have set the bar much lower.

Re: Google Has Dropped Ban on Personally Identifiable Web Tracking

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I'd just like to draw people's attention to a little bit of conflict-of-interest research some Stanford University researchers published a few years ago: Currently, the predominant business model for commercial search engines is advertising. The goals of the advertising business model do not always correspond to providing quality search to users. For example, in our prototype search engine one of the top results for…

This really is an important point.

Somehow in this new age of technology companies we have forgotten that corporations, in the long run, will always converge on what is most profitable, regardless of the values of their founding team, who will eventually retire or have their influence diminished.

For that reason, I always pay more attention to a company's incentives than I do what they say about values. If a company derives the vast majority of their income showing me targeted ads, I can expect that that will take priority over any notion of privacy, and we all know that privacy is the bane of targeted advertising. Unless there is some seismic shift in Google's core business in the next several years, we should only expect more moves like this.

And as we head into the new era of "intelligent personal assistants," let's keep in mind which companies are pushing this most aggressively: two ad companies and one that wants us to make it easier (perhaps even not a conscious activity?) to buy things from them. It does not take a lot of imagination to see what these assistants are most interested in assisting us with.

That's why, for all of the valid criticisms of them, I still use Apple products. I'm just more comfortable with their incentives, which are, as of now, mostly to sell me shiny new hardware. Sure, this has led them to do some things that annoy me like lock down their iMessage platform so I can't use it to communicate with my Android-using friends. Still I'll take that sort of behavior over a wholesale disregard for my privacy.

Re: Google Has Dropped Ban on Personally Identifiable Web Tracking

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I'm curious what bothers people most about the privacy issues? Strangely I don't care that Google (and others) know about me. I probably should but I have just sorted have accepted the lack of privacy today. What really bothers me isn't the privacy its them using that data to create a completely unfair advantage to continue the oligopoly that is quickly consuming all markets. I used to be such a capitalist but as of…

If we accept the small invasion of privacy now, and accept it as the norm, what are the implications for the future?

Re: Google Has Dropped Ban on Personally Identifiable Web Tracking

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I think duckduckgo often becomes an alternative that isn't an alternative, in the sense yes its there, you are frustrated with Google's behavior and you persist for a whole day and then have to revert back to Google with tail behind legs so it's more of an alternative in name. With the sheer scope of Google properties there is always going to be a tempation for 'value searchers' within the organization to give in to…

To be honest DuckDuckGo is fine, you just need to put a little extra effort in. I'll admit it takes some getting used to but I happily use it now. Also as others have stated the 'sp!' bang is handy.

StartPage is a mystery to me; they say they're "enhanced by Google", but what does Google get out of providing their search results to a competitor?

Re: Google Has Dropped Ban on Personally Identifiable Web Tracking

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post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

On mobile, rooting and using a hosts file to block malicious/ad domains is better anyway.

If you root, you won’t be able to use Android Pay (an advertised feature of the device) anymore due to the recent changes to SafetyNet that now trigger if even the bootloader isn’t locked.

Well, we have root access. Can't we completely stump and destroy this stupid safety net? This should have a very high priority for anyone who cares about open smartphone systems.

There should be a safety net remover that simply strips all safety net API calls off a program and inserts all valid flags by default.

Re: Google Has Dropped Ban on Personally Identifiable Web Tracking

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I'm curious what bothers people most about the privacy issues? Strangely I don't care that Google (and others) know about me. I probably should but I have just sorted have accepted the lack of privacy today. What really bothers me isn't the privacy its them using that data to create a completely unfair advantage to continue the oligopoly that is quickly consuming all markets. I used to be such a capitalist but as of…

Don't understand why it bothers you. Big corporations have unfair advantage either way. Small players already need some special treatment to level the field.

But privacy is more about power and governments getting access to the data companies collect is the worst thing that could happen.

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