A little skepticism is OK here. I don't think cheerleading is helpful. One possible interpretation of this video is Tesla is five years behind Google.
Google sells cars?
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#872Isn't this hackernews?? So many "but what if this and that and this..." & "and yeah let's see if it can handle X & Y" This is the iPhone 1 of self-driving cars! That's akin to saying Apple should have waited to release their phone until iPhone 7 "because of this & that & this..." Don't we have to start somewhere ?? Aren't there supposed to be a big user base here who understands that it's an evolutionary process - we…
Speaking for myself, I really want self-driving cars to happen in my lifetime but I've become incredibly wary of the credulous attitudes seen in media hype, among the general population, and within the tech community amongst people who don't understand how hard (and possibly intractable) some of these problems are.
If self-driving cars don't happen in my lifetime, it will be because companies piggybacked on the media hype too readily and shipped dangerously misleading technology to consumers before it's ready. A few CNN incidents later, et voila, no one's talking about self-driving cars anymore. The whole thing can grind to a halt just like that. Every overly enthusiastic, precocious CS undergrad who posts in forums about how incredibly inevitable self-driving cars are, and how it's basically a solved problem and a done deal, are helping to set up self-driving cars for failure by encouraging overly optimistic expectations.
For people who care deeply about the technology, the possibility of a company like Tesla putting something out there before it's ready and potentially causing CNN incidents can be more alarming than no one putting anything out there at all. Maybe some people are being too negative and nitpicky, or maybe not, but I think that's where the negative attitudes come from. It's from people who want self-driving cars to succeed.
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#873Does anyone notice that this music comes from Twisted Metal Black? The geekyness is strong :D
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Could you provide couple links to videos of other cars driving like this and looking for parking without the owner :)
There's a video [1] by Mercedes from 3 years ago but they didn't demo autonomous parking like Tesla. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AihC5flC-38
Well those roundabouts do give them an unfair advantage. All joking aside, that video was of a research vehicle. The article above is for a car you can buy right now.
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I too would like to see these videos.
It's not just self-driving cars. It's features like autonomous parking, lane-assitance, cruise control that automatically keeps the distance to the car in front of you and the like. Stuff like that has been repeatedly hailed by HN'ers as revolutionary when Tesla introduced it. Neglecting that other companies had those features for years. Whenever Tesla is the topic it's almost guaranteed every negative comment on HN…
True. In a way this is kind of analogous to how Apple 'fanboys'/users behave when new features are introduced in iPhones but have already been present in Android for many years prior to that.
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Google's cars are not iPhone 1. They still just have a few dozen or a few hundred, who knows, and they have only been driving 2 million miles until now. They are not even for sale and will not be any time soon. Oor ever, if they don't market their own electric cars very soon or hook up with a car manufacturer. Tesla can collect data from 5 billion miles of driving already one year after the Giga Factory is full opera…
Not sure why you keep talking about the gigafactory as if that's relevant to self-driving cars. Your only point can be summarized in one sentence: they've released a senor suite into the field, and through some combination of Big Data and magical AI, they will win. This, as much as anything else, is a religious belief. Ultimately, this game is about the sensors. If your sensor suite is inadequate to detect every conc…
> but instinct tells me they're not up to the task of all-condition driving
From a sensor perspective, what does a human have that are missing in the new Tesla suite?
The sensors cover the whole spectrum of light humans can see, plus a lot more. There is also ultrasonic sonar.
And, of course, all of this is 360 degrees.
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I laughed out loud when I googled "tsla" after watching the video and the top headline in the news section of the google results was "Analyst doubts the new move by Tesla Motors." Clicking on the article for humor's value, I continued to read: > However, Edmunds.com, Inc. analyst Jessica Caldwell questions the value of purchasing a self-driving car before regulations catch up. Caldwell said that, meanwhile, competito…
Nobody would be developing mass-market self-driving cars right now if not for Musk.
That's ridiculous. My 2+ year old Mercedes self drives on the freeway quite nicely. They do require I keep my hands on the wheel, but other than that, it's doing the driving.
Other manufacturers aren't simply responding to Elan.
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> It's probably enough for freeway driving under good conditions. It might rule out driving in fog or snow, but if the weather is OK then the sensor suite is probably enough for driving on any paved road. I think you are underestimating how quickly Tesla's AI software can improve. The AI will always be running and checking to see if the driver does anything unexpected. For example if you brake or swerve suddenly when…
"I think you're underestimating how quickly Tesla'a AI software can improve" Do you have any basis for that statement, other than that you like Elon Musk, and read an article about "big data" once? I have actual experience in this field. The parent is right: the sensors matter more than hypothetical gains from "big data". Because right now, sensors suck . There's a reason every serious player in this game is plopping…
> existing sensor suite was proven to be a total joke in actual use
The existing sensor suite was is sufficient for the existing driving assist functions. The existing suite was never expected to be sufficient to provide the predicted, future levels of autodrive.
What do human sensors cover? Primarily our eyes. Have we had sensors that provide about the same dynamic range as our human vision?
I am NOT a part of this field, so please excuse my presumption.
I believe that most/all(?) current/previous 'automated control' systems used sensors that were lower resolution than our eyes, but that also provided some indication of range data.
Do our eyes provide distance data? I think that data is calculated with quite a bit of accuracy in our brains.
Again, I'm not part of this field, so this is just speculation.
In theory, given a fast enough computer and advanced enough algorithm, given nothing but visual input streams no more advanced than are available with existing optics, could a car autopilot not be just as good a driver as a human?
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Yeah but the first-gem iPhone couldn't kill people. A poorly-built car easily can. I like Tesla, just pointing out why people are right to demand they get it at least as good as humans before pushing it to market.
It also couldn't save people's' lives...
Yes self driving cars could save lives, if they're working properly. That's literally what we're talking about. If they're working as good a humans, good. If they're working better, they're saving lives. If they turn into oncoming traffic like the Tesla did in the video, they can kill people.
A first-gen iPhone couldn't save people, but a first gen auto-driving car can certainly kill a lot of people if the software isn't working right.
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There's a video [1] by Mercedes from 3 years ago but they didn't demo autonomous parking like Tesla. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AihC5flC-38
Well those roundabouts do give them an unfair advantage. All joking aside, that video was of a research vehicle. The article above is for a car you can buy right now.
Well, you can buy the car with the hardware, but the self-driving part is still a ways out as far as public availability.