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All Tesla Cars Being Produced Now Have Full Self-Driving Hardware

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Re: All Tesla Cars Being Produced Now Have Full Self-Driving Hardware

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Post by gist »

woodpanel wrote: post #755
aerovistae wrote: post #617

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I laughed out loud when I googled "tsla" after watching the video and the top headline in the news section of the google results was "Analyst doubts the new move by Tesla Motors." Clicking on the article for humor's value, I continued to read: > However, Edmunds.com, Inc. analyst Jessica Caldwell questions the value of purchasing a self-driving car before regulations catch up. Caldwell said that, meanwhile, competito…

> It's just hilarious the contortions of logic people will go to in order to put Musk down. As much as I anticipate more cool stuff from Tesla, one could say the same about akin-ness of people to find everything that Tesla does "super innovative" and "revolutionary" while the same features already existed in other cars for quite some time. I actually laughed out loud when I saw the Headline of this submission "Tesla…

> one could say the same about akin-ness of people to find everything that Tesla does "super innovative" and "revolutionary" while the same features already existed in other cars for quite some time.

Exactly. I would go as far as saying it's simply infotainment.

Here is a test that I would use to determine the value of this. If it wasn't infotainment, it probably wouldn't need to be set to a soundtrack and would stand on it's own w/o music. The music creates an emotion and helps stave off the boredom.

Re: All Tesla Cars Being Produced Now Have Full Self-Driving Hardware

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Post by gist »

tonmoy wrote: post #762
woodpanel wrote: post #755

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> It's just hilarious the contortions of logic people will go to in order to put Musk down. As much as I anticipate more cool stuff from Tesla, one could say the same about akin-ness of people to find everything that Tesla does "super innovative" and "revolutionary" while the same features already existed in other cars for quite some time. I actually laughed out loud when I saw the Headline of this submission "Tesla…

I found this to be impressive because it seems to be working without LIDAR and performing very well. I may be wrong but most other contemporary cars that drive this well use expensive laser sensors

Controlled situation with easy pitches.

For example with the parking would the car know if the other vehicle has a driver and when that driver moves or is about to move?

Re: All Tesla Cars Being Produced Now Have Full Self-Driving Hardware

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Post by stcredzero »

spyspy wrote: post #840
cpwright wrote: post #832

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> Having the equipment ready and in action first is somehow a disadvantage by this argument, and now you're better off being later to market. So I think it might be from an investment standpoint; just think of Tivo they made the DVR, but once others saw what they were doing there are plenty of other DVR choices and Tivo didn't win the category. Tesla might be forging ahead and blazing the trail for others, who will a…

It's not a horrible comparison, but the barriers to entry between an electric car (+entire charging network) are much higher than a DVR. First mover advantage digs a bigger moat.

The stakes are higher and the margins are smaller. First mover advantage either digs a deeper moat or a trap for yourself. (Vercingetorix vs. Julius Caesar at Alesia.)

Re: All Tesla Cars Being Produced Now Have Full Self-Driving Hardware

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Post by duderific »

macNchz wrote: post #685
lost_name wrote: post #655

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Just for fun, have a look at the comments about the iPod announcement: http://forums.macrumors.com/threads/apples-new-thing-ipod.50... There's always people with something to say.

This is one of my favorite nuggets of internet history–also excellent because the thread ID (500) makes it easy to find since it'll redirect from: https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/500 .

That is GOLD! My favorite comment is this, which is so wrong it almost sounds sarcastic:

"I still can't believe this! All this hype for something so ridiculous! Who cares about an MP3 player? I want something new! I want them to think differently! Why oh why would they do this?! It's so wrong! It's so stupid!"

Re: All Tesla Cars Being Produced Now Have Full Self-Driving Hardware

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Post by mtgx »

erikpukinskis wrote: post #817
mtgx wrote: post #745

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> Take Tesla 3 pre-orders, for instance. Tesla spins 400,000 pre-orders for a car that you might not receive in the next three years as the most amazing innovation in automobile manufacturing. Because it kind of is when we're talking about an electric car. Tesla's competitors can't come up with those numbers for EVs combined (even with hybrids). GM is expected to make 30,000 Bolts for next year, for instance (and it…

Level 5 is unachievable and unnecessary. There will always be some small number of locales that confound the system. But if you can't use autonomy a few times per year, who cares? When we get to level 4 the game is over, it's just an adoption curve at that point.

I don't know how "unnecessary" it is if we're talking snowed roads, country roads, roads that haven't been painted in a decade or longer, or if we're talking about autonomous cars without a wheel.

Under those conditions, it's pretty much Level 5 or bust. But yes, that doesn't mean Level 4 cars won't start getting adopted, especially if the autonomous systems are just another "feature" on a regular car (hopefully EVs in all or most cases).

Re: All Tesla Cars Being Produced Now Have Full Self-Driving Hardware

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Post by gist »

luma wrote: post #91

I think what people are missing here is an understanding of how these systems are tested and deployed at scale. While I have no involvement with Tesla I do have first-hand knowledge of similar programs at tier 1 automotive suppliers. The suppliers provide (or are looking to provide) an electronics suite to car manufacturers. The car manufacturers want the system to be safe lest they be sued out of existence. One part…

> One part of that will include contractual requirements for the system to have clocked n-kilometers on the highway in full (or partial) operation.

I wonder what safeguards the manufacturers have in place to determine that those tests are not gamed and are honest as presented. I am thinking of VW emissions scandal. Given the stakes it would be interesting to know what level of trust is involved vs. verify.

Re: All Tesla Cars Being Produced Now Have Full Self-Driving Hardware

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Post by duderific »

hacker_9 wrote: post #737
hipshaker wrote: post #570

Isn't this hackernews?? So many "but what if this and that and this..." & "and yeah let's see if it can handle X & Y" This is the iPhone 1 of self-driving cars! That's akin to saying Apple should have waited to release their phone until iPhone 7 "because of this & that & this..." Don't we have to start somewhere ?? Aren't there supposed to be a big user base here who understands that it's an evolutionary process - we…

What is with all these meta posts on HN recently by people who think they understand HN, and then need to tell everyone that they are not fitting into their idea of HN? And why are you comparing iPhones to self driving cars? That's like comparing paper airplanes to commercial airliners. Honestly posts like these should be automod deleted.

> Honestly posts like these should be automod deleted.

Are you not simultaneously advocating and decrying the exact same activity?

Re: All Tesla Cars Being Produced Now Have Full Self-Driving Hardware

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Post by nartsbtaa »

aerovistae wrote: post #650
beambot wrote: post #635

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> Having the equipment ready and in action first... That seems to be Ms. Caldwell's point: Without the software or regulations in place, it's impossible to know if the "equipment is ready." I don't disagree with her on this one. (And I am long TSLA.)

The strategy Musk has clearly been using for a long time now with this is to put as much hardware and software into the field as possible, often even without the customers knowing it's there, and gathering vast amounts of data from it, and gradually forcing it into widespread availability and acceptance, all while letting the system learn and improve itself, which is a necessary step. He's doing what he does best: fo…

> Nope, it's not autonomous, it's Autopilot!

Yeah, well... it's not really autonomous. It's a slightly better cruise control + assisted lane change. In fact the "Autopilot" marketing term makes it sound much more like fully autonomous driving than it actually is.

Re: All Tesla Cars Being Produced Now Have Full Self-Driving Hardware

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Post by dschiptsov »

simplemath wrote: post #856
dschiptsov wrote: post #798

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Time to re-read Atlas Shrugged? Remember the complains about Colorado?) They will always say such things.

Never is a good time to re-read Rand.

Any argumentation?

Re: All Tesla Cars Being Produced Now Have Full Self-Driving Hardware

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Post by Moshe_Silnorin »

throwanem wrote: post #50
Moshe_Silnorin wrote: post #31

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Musk is a notorious grammar Nazi, so he may go after whomever is responsible. They could be in trouble.

As would you now be if you worked for him! "Whom" is the objective case of "who", and correctly replaces e.g. "him", not "he".

I though it would be funny to edit my comment to me it look like I was right all along. On reflection, this was petty. My original comment was mistaken in just the manner described.
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