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Saving the Swiss Watch Industry Again

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Re: Saving the Swiss Watch Industry Again

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I used to be a watch fan. Not hardcore - I didn't collect or anything, but I liked good quality quartz watches. Then I got given a Huawei smartwatch as a gift. It's good . Firstly, it looks nice. Maybe not as good as a high-end Swiss watch, but it's much nicer than a Pebble (I think it's nicer than a iWatch, but YMMV). Also, changing faces is fun. Secondly, it's amazingly useful. I can be in a meeting or talking to s…

> I can be in a meeting or talking to someone, feel my watch buzz and check to see if I need to respond to a message without pulling my phone out.

You don't need to check your smart watch or pull out your phone to know whether you should respond to a message when in a meeting or talking to someone: the answer is that you shouldn't. You owe your attention to the others in the meeting or the other to whom you are talking.

If there is something higher-priority going on (e.g. your kid is in the hospital), then you shouldn't be in that meeting or talking to that person: you should be attending to that higher-priority circumstance.

It's a bit like GTD or project management: prioritise the calls on your time, and spend your time on the highest-priority. Don't try to multi-task; it works no better for paying attention to meetings or conversations than it does for writing code.

Re: Saving the Swiss Watch Industry Again

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My Dad had in no particular order: Audemars Piguet (gold with Moon phase) Breguet Jumphand Limited Edition Diamond encrusted Patek Phillipe Reversible face Jaeger le Couture sports watch Various 1960s Omegas and Longines with beautiful designs/inlays And for years I thought of luxury watches as something interesting and worthwhile, even if I personally could not countenance or afford spending £30,000 on one. But I le…

> They're expensive to maintain. They don't actually keep perfect time. They're heavy.

The first and second items are true enough (although I don't know how much I care about perfect time: as long as I don't have to fiddle with it more than once a month, I don't really care), but the last need not be true. My mechanical watch is not noticeably heavier than a quartz watch.

And it looks a lot nicer than that Casio digital. One can see just as well through Birth Control Goggles (e.g. http://media.oregonlive.com/oregonatwar/photo/10469092-large...) as through wireframes, but the latter looks a lot nicer. Function is not the only important thing: form matters too.

Re: Saving the Swiss Watch Industry Again

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I used to be a watch fan. Not hardcore - I didn't collect or anything, but I liked good quality quartz watches. Then I got given a Huawei smartwatch as a gift. It's good . Firstly, it looks nice. Maybe not as good as a high-end Swiss watch, but it's much nicer than a Pebble (I think it's nicer than a iWatch, but YMMV). Also, changing faces is fun. Secondly, it's amazingly useful. I can be in a meeting or talking to s…

> I can be in a meeting or talking to someone, feel my watch buzz and check to see if I need to respond to a message without pulling my phone out. You don't need to check your smart watch or pull out your phone to know whether you should respond to a message when in a meeting or talking to someone: the answer is that you shouldn't. You owe your attention to the others in the meeting or the other to whom you are talki…

This just isn't always the case. My job is multitasking, and I'm good at it.

I'm not rude, and nor am I distracted. But there are always multiple high priority things going on, and my job isn't to give one of them 100% attention, it is to make sure they are all done.

Re: Saving the Swiss Watch Industry Again

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Smart watch , and I love tech I own a pebble and apple watch and an Android wear, it doesn't have anything to do with a watch. In fact a mechanical watch is already far far away from a quartz movement watch. IWC , Omega, junghans(German), Nomos , rolex, Patek... all this brands all this watch making houses are something that a smart watch can't compare with. The person that likes watches, will wear a smart watch to e…

You are describing the current status. That is not where the doubt is. The article worries about the future and how trends will change. As mentioned in the article what "a real watch" means changed a couple of times and it could change in the future. I'm sure the very ornate gold pocket watch wearer of decades ago sneered at those ridiculous little simple looking things that went on the wrist.

I wear a mechanical watch because it looks nice and doesn't need firmware updates or charging. I need another device to plug in like another hole in my head. But it is nice to know what time it is without pulling out your phone and drawing a lot of attention.

Re: Saving the Swiss Watch Industry Again

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I used to be a watch fan. Not hardcore - I didn't collect or anything, but I liked good quality quartz watches. Then I got given a Huawei smartwatch as a gift. It's good . Firstly, it looks nice. Maybe not as good as a high-end Swiss watch, but it's much nicer than a Pebble (I think it's nicer than a iWatch, but YMMV). Also, changing faces is fun. Secondly, it's amazingly useful. I can be in a meeting or talking to s…

> I can be in a meeting or talking to someone, feel my watch buzz and check to see if I need to respond to a message without pulling my phone out. You don't need to check your smart watch or pull out your phone to know whether you should respond to a message when in a meeting or talking to someone: the answer is that you shouldn't. You owe your attention to the others in the meeting or the other to whom you are talki…

I'm on call during work hours, and I also work on other projects while on call. Production outages preempt future planning, that's just the way things go.

If someone was in the hospital, that would preempt both production outages and future planning ;)

I agree with the other poster that says "my job is multitasking". Very few people have the liberty of doing only one thing at a time.

Re: Saving the Swiss Watch Industry Again

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> I can be in a meeting or talking to someone, feel my watch buzz and check to see if I need to respond to a message without pulling my phone out. You don't need to check your smart watch or pull out your phone to know whether you should respond to a message when in a meeting or talking to someone: the answer is that you shouldn't. You owe your attention to the others in the meeting or the other to whom you are talki…

This just isn't always the case. My job is multitasking, and I'm good at it. I'm not rude, and nor am I distracted. But there are always multiple high priority things going on, and my job isn't to give one of them 100% attention, it is to make sure they are all done.

> My job is multitasking, and I'm good at it.

I'm sure that you think that you are, but I don't believe we're nearly as good at multitasking as we believe we are; indeed, I think that's a truth cognitive science has been exploring for some time now. The time it takes to context-switch from listening mode to watch- or phone-checking mode and then back into listening mode is longer than we subjectively realise, and long enough to miss important information.

Re: Saving the Swiss Watch Industry Again

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It's interesting. The results are bad but a few things don't really square up for me:

- Sure the CHF is strong, and gold prices are high,

- Nonetheless, it certainly feels like watch price inflation has outstripped general inflation to an unreasonable extent,

- Over the past few months there seems to have been an explosion of YouTube channels dealing with watches and horology (Federico talks watches, https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCH27JDu8g6tPDIjDikVGPog, and the now sadly withdrawn Paul Thorpe Watch Dealer, to name but two), with healthy subscriber growth,

- Continuing popularlity of watch forums, blogs, etc.

The YouTube channel comment may just be my own perception since my own interest in watches really only started in early 2014 (I'd always liked them but avoided getting into them instinctively on the grounds that as expensive hobbies go, this one seems potentially ruinous).

I do wonder if Swiss manufacturers haven't crapped in their own nest somewhat by over-inflating prices during the period of popularity over the last few years. Sure there are factors beyond their control but, for example, any stainless steel Rolex you're likely to want will set you back at least £6k. I realise the weak pound exacerbates matters, but it still feels like they're taking the mick.

And I can sort of see the perspective on smart watches being no threat: the availability of Apple or Android Smartwatches is going to have no effect on my decision to buy a Rolex, Omega, Ulysse Nardin, AP, or whatever.

Part of me also somewhat objects to spending £500 on something else with a 2 year (ish) useful life (think laptop, tablet, phone, on top of this), whereas a £500 mechanical watch from Hamilton or Seiko will last a lifetime if properly serviced and taken care of.

One of the big reasons I started wearing a watch again, apart from I think they're cool (especially mechanical watches), is so I'd stop pulling out my phone to check the time, inevitably leading to me seeing a notification, and then 10 minutes of my life has disappeared screwing around with twitter/facebook/email/whatever... all because I wanted to know what time it was. From that point of view the Apple Watch, much as I think it is quite cool, would be completely counterproductive. Absolutely the last thing I need in my life is yet more distractions.

But not everyone thinks like that, so maybe smartwatches are a threat to the high end manufacturers.

One thing nobody's mentioned so far: servicing. People talk about how a good mechanical watch will last a lifetime, or even outlast you, and this is true, that can happen. But the keyword here is mechanical. This means wear and tear on the mechanism, and that means that, just like your car, you have to get it serviced and lubricated to keep it running well. Often this is every 3 - 5 years, and for a luxury watch will cost as much as a significant piece of maintenance or repair on your car: i.e., £500+.

It might also take 3 months.

This sucks, and does perhaps cast that £500 every 2 - 3 years for an Apple Watch in a slightly different light.

In fairness to the Swiss manufacturers, some of them are making efforts in this area. Some are improving their customer service (I believe Omega are supposed to be strong here), and Breitling have recently released their own in-house B01 movement which I've heard may only need to be serviced every 10 years (at what cost I don't know). Similarly I believe the Omega co-axial movements also have longer service intervals. Nevertheless Swiss watchmaking is an old skool - somewhat elitist - industry overall and their idea of acceptable customer service does lag the curve.

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