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All Tesla Cars Being Produced Now Have Full Self-Driving Hardware

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Re: All Tesla Cars Being Produced Now Have Full Self-Driving Hardware

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Post by marvin »

lost_name wrote: post #655
fnbr wrote: post #638

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> Isn't this hackernews?? This level of negativity is typical for HN. Look at what happened when dhouston announced Dropbox- the second comment was about how any Linux user can trivially replace it for themselves: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8863

Just for fun, have a look at the comments about the iPod announcement: http://forums.macrumors.com/threads/apples-new-thing-ipod.50... There's always people with something to say.

Here's the first post on HN about Bitcoin: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=599852

Re: All Tesla Cars Being Produced Now Have Full Self-Driving Hardware

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Post by erikpukinskis »

bosdev wrote: post #735
grecy wrote: post #665

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Unfortunately this is really common on HN nowadays. What I find really interesting about Tesla (and SpaceX and HyperLoop) criticism is that people think it will fail for what it doesn't do , instead of focusing on what it does do. What they don't realize is that all products in history that got hugely successful didn't do a ton of stuff initially. They just did some things really well. Early washing machines were noi…

To be fair, being enthusiastic and positive about the future isn't that useful of a comment. There is only one way to say 'Elon's vision is right and it will happen,' but there are countless, interesting, ways to point out how it might fail. So after the first few excited comments come in, often the only novel thing to contribute is a counter point. This doesn't mean that the majority of people aren't optimistic abou…

It's interesting to think about the ways your opponent might capture your pieces, but it's just as interesting and just as important to think about the ways you might capture theirs.

Time we spend bickering about whether electric cars are ready is time not spent talking about the new grid, the new architecture, the new social organization that will form around these (to me obviously) imminent technologies.

I don't think "how it could succeed" is less interesting than "how it could fail". And if I expect something to succeed, frankly the failure speculation starts to get a bit boring.

It's a bit personal for me because I am pursuing a high-setback business model in my startup and so people always want to talk about the looming dangers they see. It starts to get boring, because I expect a certain number of failures, and I intend to work through them. What's interesting to mr is whether the first principles analysis is right, and how the plan looks from a Zen perspective... Not is everything right, but am I applying pressure in the right place today given the conditions.

Re: All Tesla Cars Being Produced Now Have Full Self-Driving Hardware

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Post by erikpukinskis »

bosdev wrote: post #735
grecy wrote: post #665

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unfortunately this is really common on HN nowadays. What I find really interesting about Tesla (and SpaceX and HyperLoop) criticism is that people think it will fail for what it doesn't do , instead of focusing on what it does do. What they don't realize is that all products in history that got hugely successful didn't do a ton of stuff initially. They just did some things really well. Early washing machines were noi…

To be fair, being enthusiastic and positive about the future isn't that useful of a comment. There is only one way to say 'Elon's vision is right and it will happen,' but there are countless, interesting, ways to point out how it might fail. So after the first few excited comments come in, often the only novel thing to contribute is a counter point. This doesn't mean that the majority of people aren't optimistic abou…

It's interesting to think about the ways your opponent might capture your pieces, but it's just as interesting and just ad important to think about the ways you might capture theirs.

Time we spent bickering about whether electric cars are ready is time not spent talking about the new grid, the new architecture, the new social organization that will form around these (to me obviously) imminent technologies.

I don't think "how it could succeed" is less interesting than "how it could fail". And if I expect something to succeed, frankly the failure speculation starts to get a bit boring.

Re: All Tesla Cars Being Produced Now Have Full Self-Driving Hardware

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Post by woodpanel »

aerovistae wrote: post #789
ddon wrote: post #760

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Could you provide couple links to videos of other cars driving like this and looking for parking without the owner :)

I too would like to see these videos.

It's not just self-driving cars. It's features like autonomous parking, lane-assitance, cruise control that automatically keeps the distance to the car in front of you and the like. Stuff like that has been repeatedly hailed by HN'ers as revolutionary when Tesla introduced it. Neglecting that other companies had those features for years.

Whenever Tesla is the topic it's almost guaranteed every negative comment on HN will be downvoted (I just see that right now with my comment above. It's constantly gaining and losing me karma).

Besides that, the self-driving Tesla isn't news. That is the joke here. It's a press release that gets frenzied on HN's #1 spot.

Re: All Tesla Cars Being Produced Now Have Full Self-Driving Hardware

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Post by weaksauce »

beambot wrote: post #662
aerovistae wrote: post #650

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The strategy Musk has clearly been using for a long time now with this is to put as much hardware and software into the field as possible, often even without the customers knowing it's there, and gathering vast amounts of data from it, and gradually forcing it into widespread availability and acceptance, all while letting the system learn and improve itself, which is a necessary step. He's doing what he does best: fo…

I'm not disagreeing with you. I like the move; I think it's smart. But saying it's an "autonomous car" because it has the sensors and computers just isn't so. When it gets the software, then it's an "autonomous car." To use GPs analogy to the iPhone1: If Apple had just shipped the hardware without iOS, it wouldn't have been the iPhone.

The iPhone couldn't cut and paste for a long while. Hell, iirc, there wasn't the App Store until iOS 2 or 3.

Re: All Tesla Cars Being Produced Now Have Full Self-Driving Hardware

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Post by forgetsusername »

drcross wrote: post #734
vkou wrote: post #724

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> It's just hilarious the contortions of logic people will go to in order to put Musk down. It's probably because there is a substantial gap between what Musk spins, and reality. Take Tesla 3 pre-orders, for instance. Tesla spins 400,000 pre-orders for a car that you might not receive in the next three years as the most amazing innovation in automobile manufacturing. Historically, there have been a few other companie…

>what Musk spins, and reality. The reality is that they are the first serious electric car company. A tiny enterprise that took on the old Detroit giants and is winning. When you see people putting down hard earned cash for something three years into the future, they are not being tricked, they are investing in disruption. He's such a terrible orator you couldn't describe him as a charlatan. It's his actions and peop…

>A tiny enterprise that took on the old Detroit giants and is winning

In what way are they "winning" against Detroit? Certainly not in revenues, profits, miles driven or cars produced.

Yes, they "own" one segment": high end electric vehicles. No one there is close. But Detroit owns many others. Why does the one that Tesla dominates carry so much weight?

Re: All Tesla Cars Being Produced Now Have Full Self-Driving Hardware

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Post by beefield »

chrismarlow9 wrote: post #727
beefield wrote: post #684

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The math in the following image is not going to change regardless who is driving the car. If you want to have a city, you need to have public transport. If you want to have a suburban sprawl, that's another story. http://www.boredpanda.com/space-required-to-transport-60-peo...

the math changes because the autonomous cars become the public transport. all the cars on the left aren't necessary because they wont sit in a lot all day, they will continue to drive and deliver passengers all day. it creates an option of a private form of public transportation, something that only sort of 'half' exists with uber, since you obviously still have the human driver factor (who requires pay, health insur…

The math changes for how much storage space for cars is needed, but not how much space is needed for transporting people. Changing a garage to something more useful is not exactly helping traffic jams.

Re: All Tesla Cars Being Produced Now Have Full Self-Driving Hardware

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Post by FireBeyond »

tcoppi wrote: post #713
forgetsusername wrote: post #699

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> Unfortunately this is really common on HN nowadays. I see things differently. Anyone who criticized Theranos was met with the same reaction, "Everyone on HN is so negative!" But the questions were valid. Look what happened. The same thing is occurring with Tesla. Yes, there is fantastic work being done, but many people here can't separate marketing from the real world. It's shocking, frankly.

Are you suggesting that Tesla is defrauding investors and regulators, as Theranos did?

No, he's suggesting, in exactly his own words, "many people can't separate marketing from the real world".
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