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Re: All Tesla Cars Being Produced Now Have Full Self-Driving Hardware

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Post by komali2 » Thu, Oct 20, 2016, 4:16 PM UTC

bosdev wrote: post #735

grecy wrote: post #665

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Unfortunately this is really common on HN nowadays. What I find really interesting about Tesla (and SpaceX and HyperLoop) criticism is that people think it will fail for what it doesn't do , instead of focusing on what it does do. What they don't realize is that all products in history that got hugely successful didn't do a ton of stuff initially. They just did some things really well. Early washing machines were noi…

To be fair, being enthusiastic and positive about the future isn't that useful of a comment. There is only one way to say 'Elon's vision is right and it will happen,' but there are countless, interesting, ways to point out how it might fail. So after the first few excited comments come in, often the only novel thing to contribute is a counter point. This doesn't mean that the majority of people aren't optimistic abou…

That's a bit pessimistic.

"I wonder if Elon will go down path A...." "Interesting that the battery is now x, this is probably a result of Y technology they developed last year." Etc. I don't find it hard to discuss a topic in a positive light at all.

Re: All Tesla Cars Being Produced Now Have Full Self-Driving Hardware

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Post by falconed » Thu, Oct 20, 2016, 4:16 PM UTC

woodpanel wrote: post #755

aerovistae wrote: post #617

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I laughed out loud when I googled "tsla" after watching the video and the top headline in the news section of the google results was "Analyst doubts the new move by Tesla Motors." Clicking on the article for humor's value, I continued to read: > However, Edmunds.com, Inc. analyst Jessica Caldwell questions the value of purchasing a self-driving car before regulations catch up. Caldwell said that, meanwhile, competito…

> It's just hilarious the contortions of logic people will go to in order to put Musk down. As much as I anticipate more cool stuff from Tesla, one could say the same about akin-ness of people to find everything that Tesla does "super innovative" and "revolutionary" while the same features already existed in other cars for quite some time. I actually laughed out loud when I saw the Headline of this submission "Tesla…

I think the interesting point here is that the hardware is available on all Teslas. The functionality shown in the video could be available on everyone's Tesla by installing an update. What they showed may be similar to what's been demonstrated by other companies in the past, but the potential for broad availability is novel.

Re: All Tesla Cars Being Produced Now Have Full Self-Driving Hardware

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Post by danbruc » Thu, Oct 20, 2016, 4:18 PM UTC

bflesch wrote: post #451

Truly impressive. I wonder if the Model 3 will also be fitted out with all the sensors and cameras. If yes, I'll definitely get one. As a German citizen, it really bugs me that Volkswagen is incapable of this kind of innovation. I don't see their roadmap play out like they plan it, because Tesla might beat them to market hard. I fear German regulation will jump in (again) to help them against Tesla. Currently, the Ge…

Daimler-Benz demonstrated autonomous driving with little human intervention over long distances in the mid 90s [1]. Other German car companies had similar programs. So they are certainly capable of doing it, not sure why they did not push it to the market. Too expensive? No demand? Too hard to tackle the last couple of percent of required human intervention?

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_autonomous_cars#199...

Re: All Tesla Cars Being Produced Now Have Full Self-Driving Hardware

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Post by chrismealy » Thu, Oct 20, 2016, 4:20 PM UTC

No pedestrians, bikes, ambulances, construction, just dead surburban roads. The perfect car for the zombie apocalypse.

Re: All Tesla Cars Being Produced Now Have Full Self-Driving Hardware

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Post by fitzroy » Thu, Oct 20, 2016, 4:21 PM UTC

aerovistae wrote: post #617

hipshaker wrote: post #570

Isn't this hackernews?? So many "but what if this and that and this..." & "and yeah let's see if it can handle X & Y" This is the iPhone 1 of self-driving cars! That's akin to saying Apple should have waited to release their phone until iPhone 7 "because of this & that & this..." Don't we have to start somewhere ?? Aren't there supposed to be a big user base here who understands that it's an evolutionary process - we…

I laughed out loud when I googled "tsla" after watching the video and the top headline in the news section of the google results was "Analyst doubts the new move by Tesla Motors." Clicking on the article for humor's value, I continued to read: > However, Edmunds.com, Inc. analyst Jessica Caldwell questions the value of purchasing a self-driving car before regulations catch up. Caldwell said that, meanwhile, competito…

No surprise since Edmunds makes money off of everyone except Tesla (no advertising, no dealers, no comparison shopping that converts to lead gen).

"How does Edmunds make money? Edmunds sells advertising to marketers who have contextually relevant messages for site visitors. Also, car-shoppers who visit Edmunds have the opportunity to request price quotes from dealers and providers of insurance, financing and extended warranties. Edmunds is paid by the automakers, dealers and other service providers for the lead referrals." http://www.edmunds.com/about/faqs.html

Re: All Tesla Cars Being Produced Now Have Full Self-Driving Hardware

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Post by koreyb » Thu, Oct 20, 2016, 4:21 PM UTC

obastani wrote: post #783

hipshaker wrote: post #570

Isn't this hackernews?? So many "but what if this and that and this..." & "and yeah let's see if it can handle X & Y" This is the iPhone 1 of self-driving cars! That's akin to saying Apple should have waited to release their phone until iPhone 7 "because of this & that & this..." Don't we have to start somewhere ?? Aren't there supposed to be a big user base here who understands that it's an evolutionary process - we…

It's not at all the same -- self-driving cars can risk the lives not only of the passengers, but of innocent bystanders. Several commenters have pointed out problems such as rain, snow, darkness, etc., but there are more fundamental problems. For example, self-driving cars based on machine learning may be susceptible to adversarial attacks that cause the car to behave unpredictably [1,2]. How will self-driving cars k…

Autopilot v1 has already proven itself to be 2.5x safer (and climbing) than the average non-autopilot driver.

1 death in 230 million miles (so far) with Autopilot v1 vs 1 death per 90 million miles for non-autopilot.

Re: All Tesla Cars Being Produced Now Have Full Self-Driving Hardware

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Post by Bud » Thu, Oct 20, 2016, 4:22 PM UTC

ghaff wrote: post #673

lost_name wrote: post #655

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Just for fun, have a look at the comments about the iPod announcement: http://forums.macrumors.com/threads/apples-new-thing-ipod.50... There's always people with something to say.

In all fairness, the initial iPods were nothing to write home about and, as I recall, iTunes didn't even run on anything except Macs--then a rather niche hardware platform. Of course, iPods improved relative to the competition but it was really the iTunes store and Apple's ability to fundamentally change how music was sold that really had the impact.

This sounds like the perspective of someone who didn't actually use early iPods and definitely didn't use Sony Discmans and Walkmans and other predecessors.

Because folks who actually used all that stuff know that the iPod was a quantum leap, even in its first few generations. 5GB of storage, MUCH better battery life than any competing device of any kind, and FireWire 400 felt fast enough back then that it was like actually being on fire.

Re: All Tesla Cars Being Produced Now Have Full Self-Driving Hardware

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Post by dschiptsov » Thu, Oct 20, 2016, 4:22 PM UTC

aerovistae wrote: post #617

hipshaker wrote: post #570

Isn't this hackernews?? So many "but what if this and that and this..." & "and yeah let's see if it can handle X & Y" This is the iPhone 1 of self-driving cars! That's akin to saying Apple should have waited to release their phone until iPhone 7 "because of this & that & this..." Don't we have to start somewhere ?? Aren't there supposed to be a big user base here who understands that it's an evolutionary process - we…

I laughed out loud when I googled "tsla" after watching the video and the top headline in the news section of the google results was "Analyst doubts the new move by Tesla Motors." Clicking on the article for humor's value, I continued to read: > However, Edmunds.com, Inc. analyst Jessica Caldwell questions the value of purchasing a self-driving car before regulations catch up. Caldwell said that, meanwhile, competito…

Time to re-read Atlas Shrugged? Remember the complains about Colorado?)

They will always say such things.

Re: All Tesla Cars Being Produced Now Have Full Self-Driving Hardware

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Post by arethuza » Thu, Oct 20, 2016, 4:22 PM UTC

jgrahamc wrote: post #494

scraft wrote: post #475

Interesting for two reasons: 1. It is a self driving car, it is so clearly the future, I wish it existed now, it is going to be awesome (in my opinion). 2. Despite knowing about and following news about driverless cars for a while, there was something surprisingly (to me) compelling about watching the video. It's like you get a little taste of the full A to B that it can give you (door to door). Who wants to speculat…

I'd like to see a self-driving car navigate London's narrow streets with cars both sides and the negotiation that goes on between drivers about who goes first. I'm impressed with this self-driving on California's spacious streets in perfect weather. I'll be really impressed when I see a self-driving car go down a London street in pouring rain, realize it needs to allow someone to come from the other direction and rev…

The situation I'm keen to see is how self driving cars deal with single track roads with passing spaces (which are pretty common in the wilder parts of the UK, e.g. Scottish Highlands) - if there is a conflict the general rule used by locals is that the car that can most easily reverse back to a parking space does so.

NB I'm sure "proper" behaviour can be programmed - I'm just keen to see it! (And who waives if it is a self driving car?)

Re: All Tesla Cars Being Produced Now Have Full Self-Driving Hardware

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Post by makomk » Thu, Oct 20, 2016, 4:22 PM UTC

chillingeffect wrote: post #497

It's sad how presenting such solid, undeniable evidence results in a downtrend in valuation: http://finance.yahoo.com/news/tesla-shares-just-took-dive-14...

Tesla just announced that all their newly-manufactured cars will be shipping without the existing, industry-standard active safety and driving assistance features like adaptive cruse control, automatic emergency braking, lane assist, etc that they previously had, and that they will release a patch to readd them at some unspecified point. I'm not surprised that a carefully edited video of automatic driving in ideal conditions wasn't enough to head off a stock price drop.