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All Tesla Cars Being Produced Now Have Full Self-Driving Hardware

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Re: All Tesla Cars Being Produced Now Have Full Self-Driving Hardware

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Post by wang_li »

buro9 wrote: post #488
Diederich wrote: post #431

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> very large roads I've seen quite a few Google self driving cars on Castro in Mountain View. http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4082/4939372588_47979bceec_z.... That picture doesn't do it justice during the most busy hours of the evening, where there's tons of people crossing and bicycles flying about in every direction. Given that, I've never seen a crowded street in Napoli or a crossroad in Ho-Chi Minh, but I can imag…

> Given that, I've never seen a crowded street in Napoli My three tests for self-driving cars would be: 1. Drive through Milan on a Saturday afternoon, from the outside of the city, and park on the opposite side of the centre of the city. 2. Drive through London during a weekday, similar thing... cross the centre and find a parking space and park. 3. Drive through Paris during a weekend, same deal. Those three cities…

Those all sound like more or less the same problem: traffic.

Why don't some of the teams impress me and try driving somewhere with black ice, strong crosswinds and blowing snow. If their systems can't drive in negative environmental conditions, they will be largely worthless in many locales.

Re: All Tesla Cars Being Produced Now Have Full Self-Driving Hardware

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Post by richthegeek »

honkhonkpants wrote: post #691
freehunter wrote: post #601

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Cars changed the world. There's not really any going back from that. It works in places where the urban population is over 90% (like Japan) but not when urban population is substantially lower (like the US). How would the rural population get to the bus/train station? My grandma's house is half an hour by car to the nearest freeway , how long would she have to walk to get to public transport? Public transport only wo…

The number of people in America who live half an hour from the nearest freeway is so small as to be irrelevant. Nobody is suggesting that 0% of trips be taken by car. It's fine if your grandmother drives around. It does not matter in the big picture. What matters is if the 82% of Americans who live in cities are forced to crawl through sprawling car-choked landscapes, or are able to live in a walkable environment. Hi…

Oh no, you're wrong. Public transport literally CANNOT work... after all, it didn't work in the USA. It's fundamentally impractical, and countries that make it work are performing magic.

/s obviously.

God I hate the responses on threads like this that insist on the impracticality of public transport worldwide because it doesn't work in the US. It's like mass Stockholm Syndrome or something!

Re: All Tesla Cars Being Produced Now Have Full Self-Driving Hardware

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Post by obastani »

hipshaker wrote: post #570

Isn't this hackernews?? So many "but what if this and that and this..." & "and yeah let's see if it can handle X & Y" This is the iPhone 1 of self-driving cars! That's akin to saying Apple should have waited to release their phone until iPhone 7 "because of this & that & this..." Don't we have to start somewhere ?? Aren't there supposed to be a big user base here who understands that it's an evolutionary process - we…

It's not at all the same -- self-driving cars can risk the lives not only of the passengers, but of innocent bystanders. Several commenters have pointed out problems such as rain, snow, darkness, etc., but there are more fundamental problems. For example, self-driving cars based on machine learning may be susceptible to adversarial attacks that cause the car to behave unpredictably [1,2]. How will self-driving cars know how to react when things go wrong, e.g., the stop light is broken? What about construction?

I'm not saying humans react perfectly in these situations, but self-driving cars are rule-based, and have zero ability to adapt to unanticipated situations. I'm not arguing that Tesla shouldn't push forward. However, I believe that so far, Tesla has demonstrated a lack of concern for user safety. Companies like Google, Mercedes-Benz, etc. have tech at least as good as Tesla's, but have been much more cautious about deploying it.

[1] https://arxiv.org/abs/1606.04435

[2] https://arxiv.org/abs/1312.6199

Re: All Tesla Cars Being Produced Now Have Full Self-Driving Hardware

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Post by makomk »

frgtpsswrdlame wrote: post #585
marricks wrote: post #514

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I don't think it's really fair to put it as dire as that, humans have more deaths, with similar miles, under their belts. Many people are starting to realize that's the real test, especially those likely to be model S/≡/X customers. Real consumer and public education on the nature of the problem is necessary though, especially if we want a safer self driving world.

That's not really true though is it? The human miles take into account all sorts of driving conditions, while self-driving car miles are only from the safest and easiest driving conditions. Doesn't seem apples to apples to me.

Even if we ignore the apples and oranges comparison, it's still not true; I think someone calculated it'd require almost 300 million miles of autonomous driving without deaths to know the death rate was actually lower, and Tesla's first death happened rather sooner than that.

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Post by petra »

joaonunesk wrote: post #507
bflesch wrote: post #451

Truly impressive. I wonder if the Model 3 will also be fitted out with all the sensors and cameras. If yes, I'll definitely get one. As a German citizen, it really bugs me that Volkswagen is incapable of this kind of innovation. I don't see their roadmap play out like they plan it, because Tesla might beat them to market hard. I fear German regulation will jump in (again) to help them against Tesla. Currently, the Ge…

The problem is that most of the established car companies are not thinking in the future. They become accommodate with the amount of cash they have on the hand, and they do not pursue innovation. Currently, Tesla is the only one who is delivering practical innovation and success!

Well, Tesla's strategy is extremly risky. Most companies, and maybe even most startup cannot handle that kind of risk.

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Post by mentos »

I had hoped to see this technology occur in my lifetime, I said to myself "I hope I live to see the day" a few years ago. Here it is in 2016, obviously its just a highly controlled demo but it has connected the dots. I'm confident the technology is there and the hardest work will be overcoming legislation and politics.

But does anyone else find this bittersweet?

I had an awesome moment of pride for what Tesla and Elon have done here. The dream is now reality.

Followed by a moment of sadness. The dream is now reality..

Re: All Tesla Cars Being Produced Now Have Full Self-Driving Hardware

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Post by ghurtado »

codeulike wrote: post #723
Fricken wrote: post #712

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It's an extremely bold commitment on Tesla's part. The available details are a bit ambiguous, but it appears they're putting $8k worth of hardware into every new car though Tesla owners need only pay for it if they want it enabled. All this in spite of tremendous uncertainty not just with regards to the regulatory environment but to the not yet fully developed capabilities of their own software.

There's no way it's $8k of hardware. The hardware is pretty simple, it's the r+d that's expensive

Someone needs to pay for the R+D before the hardware can exist, so I don't see anything wrong with considering R+D as part of the cost of the hardware (its "worth" if you will). The alternative is only considering the raw materials as part of the cost of building something.

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Post by aerovistae »

ddon wrote: post #760
woodpanel wrote: post #755

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> It's just hilarious the contortions of logic people will go to in order to put Musk down. As much as I anticipate more cool stuff from Tesla, one could say the same about akin-ness of people to find everything that Tesla does "super innovative" and "revolutionary" while the same features already existed in other cars for quite some time. I actually laughed out loud when I saw the Headline of this submission "Tesla…

Could you provide couple links to videos of other cars driving like this and looking for parking without the owner :)

I too would like to see these videos.

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Post by denzil_correa »

vkou wrote: post #775
drcross wrote: post #734

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>what Musk spins, and reality. The reality is that they are the first serious electric car company. A tiny enterprise that took on the old Detroit giants and is winning. When you see people putting down hard earned cash for something three years into the future, they are not being tricked, they are investing in disruption. He's such a terrible orator you couldn't describe him as a charlatan. It's his actions and peop…

I'm not at all implying that the money will go poof. What I do mean is that inability to meet demand is actually an incredibly serious problem for a car manufacturer - one that's more closely associated with failing Soviet enterprises, regardless of spin to the contrary. Having three years of cars in your backlog isn't winning. Waiting three years for your car to arrive isn't revolutionary. Meanwhile, Detroit produce…

> Waiting three years for your car to arrive isn't revolutionary.

Context : No other car manufacturer will have a comparable EV on the road in the next 3 years. I will take what Tesla gives me.

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