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All Tesla Cars Being Produced Now Have Full Self-Driving Hardware

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Re: All Tesla Cars Being Produced Now Have Full Self-Driving Hardware

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Post by vidarh »

visarga wrote: post #421
agumonkey wrote: post #375

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True, but my point was more a scaling factor. Google can crank N amount of data with its small fleet, Tesla will be able to reach 10^5 N soon. If they're able to process it properly they may pass Google tests quickly.

I don't know if it's that easy. There are tons of images and text laying around, but research is focused on just a few datasets. Sometimes it's hard to make use of 100x more data.

Research in focusing on just a few datasets in that case because they need labelling.

In this case, what you need is mostly "what would most humans do?"

There would be things to refine about that (e.g. prevent speeding; analyse how humans reacted right before crashes etc. and improve on responses), but as a starting point it is immensely useful.

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Post by forgetsusername »

lost_name wrote: post #655
fnbr wrote: post #638

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> Isn't this hackernews?? This level of negativity is typical for HN. Look at what happened when dhouston announced Dropbox- the second comment was about how any Linux user can trivially replace it for themselves: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8863

Just for fun, have a look at the comments about the iPod announcement: http://forums.macrumors.com/threads/apples-new-thing-ipod.50... There's always people with something to say.

Now go look at Theranos, and what the defenders were saying here.

Or the hundreds of other bad ideas that were criticized and failed because they were bad ideas. Picking a few big successes doesn't make an argument. Because, I agree, there are naysayers for everything. I'm glad; keeps people honest.

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Post by usaphp »

bnycum wrote: post #676

I was thinking of this idea the other day when I came to an intersection where a stop sign had been hit. It was now bent in a way that faced the highway that did not have to stop. I was on a highway with no stop signs or lights for miles. What would the self driving car do in that situation? For both sides of the intersection. Then I thought about another intersection by my old house. For years the cross street had t…

> "It was now bent in a way that faced the highway that did not have to stop."

Did you know about it because you saw it being bent or because you drove there before and knew that there should be a stop sign?

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Post by FeepingCreature »

irq11 wrote: post #621
hipshaker wrote: post #570

Isn't this hackernews?? So many "but what if this and that and this..." & "and yeah let's see if it can handle X & Y" This is the iPhone 1 of self-driving cars! That's akin to saying Apple should have waited to release their phone until iPhone 7 "because of this & that & this..." Don't we have to start somewhere ?? Aren't there supposed to be a big user base here who understands that it's an evolutionary process - we…

This is an area where it's easy to be too credulous. If you want "iPhone 1 of self-driving cars", Google has been tooling around in them for a while now. They do a great job under ideal conditions, on a sunny day. The future already happened! It simply isn't enough to post a video of a car driving in light traffic on a beautiful, California afternoon. That isn't what makes the problem hard. Mess up with your video-ba…

The future will not arrive evenly distributed.

How many truck routes only run across sunny roads?

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Post by Jiig »

S_A_P wrote: post #595
esquevin wrote: post #565

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What'd you do if you drove over mud and it covered your windshield ?

turn on the windshield wipers. Last I checked there were no water jets, wipers or other cleaning devices for the camera lenses on any Tesla. Again, maybe it seems like a small thing, but its still something you would have to worry about. Imagine driving down a dirt road and your autonomous car becomes disabled until you get out and clean the cameras.

Maybe this would be a problem sometime in the future when autonomous cars don't have manual controls anymore, but if the cameras were disabled for some reason you can just take control and drive off the dirt road your self, and head to a car wash.

I don't see this really being a problem that has to be worried about.

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Post by toomuchtodo »

dingaling wrote: post #549
bflesch wrote: post #451

Truly impressive. I wonder if the Model 3 will also be fitted out with all the sensors and cameras. If yes, I'll definitely get one. As a German citizen, it really bugs me that Volkswagen is incapable of this kind of innovation. I don't see their roadmap play out like they plan it, because Tesla might beat them to market hard. I fear German regulation will jump in (again) to help them against Tesla. Currently, the Ge…

> because everyone who goes EV wants to go Tesla. Other than the 250,000 drivers of Nissan Leafs... I think that's beyond twice as many as every Tesla ever built.

You buy a Leaf because you're okay with a cheap, disposable golf cart. After incentives, a $36K Leaf is only about $16k-18k.

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Post by toomuchtodo »

jasonallen wrote: post #666

When this becomes real, the next question becomes "why own the car"? What's the benefit of having it sit in a parking lot for 8 hours until I'm ready to go home. Seems like the future will become more Uber-like, where I call up rides whenever I want, and don't worry about parking, maintenance, etc....

https://electrek.co/2016/10/19/teslas-new-self-driving-car-c...

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Post by vkou »

aws_ls wrote: post #700
irq11 wrote: post #621

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This is an area where it's easy to be too credulous. If you want "iPhone 1 of self-driving cars", Google has been tooling around in them for a while now. They do a great job under ideal conditions, on a sunny day. The future already happened! It simply isn't enough to post a video of a car driving in light traffic on a beautiful, California afternoon. That isn't what makes the problem hard. Mess up with your video-ba…

This isn't web development. You don't risk lives with your beta release First: Why do you always need to assume web dev is stupid. Or less impactful. Imagine a bank website showing 10,000 less in your account. I myself paid several customers a penalty/reimbursement, when because of our website, they suffered. And I am sure there are websites/apps which are more critical. Second: You are assuming, they have done a hal…

> First: Why do you always need to assume web dev is stupid. Or less impactful. Imagine a bank website showing 10,000 less in your account.

The impact of that, terrifying as it may be, is still significantly less then the impact of a self-driving-but-buggy vehicle into the side of a semi.

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Post by randomdata »

zild3d wrote: post #682
randomdata wrote: post #572

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> Who wants to speculate how long it will be until self-driving cars are common place in the UK? I think we can apply the Pareto principle here. The car seems to work surprisingly well in ideal conditions, but probably doesn't in less than ideal ones (let's see it operating in a snow storm!). So, let's say that 80% of the work is done, leaving 20% to fix all the little edge cases that are bound to pop in the real wor…

Sure this can probably account for 80% of the general use cases, and surely the remaining 20% are the highly complex, low occurrence cases. But I think saying this took 30 years is cheating a bit. There were fits and starts and long periods of no development until breakthroughs in other fields (machine learning) occured, which can now get us the rest of the way. Not to mention, the pareto principle doesn't account fo…

That assumes that the remaining problems are best solved using our current machine learning techniques. It may be that it takes several additional long periods to find the breakthroughs necessary to finally solve the remaining problems. 100 years can go by quite fast.

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Post by throwawaymsft »

S_A_P wrote: post #537

So what do these cars do when the hit a puddle of mud and it covers all the cameras. Will there be a new form of vandalism where someone puts scotch tape over/destroys the vehicles cameras and now your fancy autonomous vehicle is rendered incapacitated. Maybe this seems unlikely or ridiculous, but the dependence on cameras at points on the car that seem likely to get dirty and or damaged seems to be a risk to me.

You mean when a puddle of mud simultaneously covers the cameras (front, rear, side facing), radar, and ultrasonics? I guess the vehicle would slow down and pull over (the driver can always take over you know).

Will the new form of vandalism be any different than letting the air out of someone's tires, also rendering it incapacitated?

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